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Old 09-01-2002, 01:48 AM   #26
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I will emphatically SECOND that !!
Whats really insane is the feeling you get when that turbo starts to spool - - its just down right scary insane power
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Old 09-01-2002, 02:06 AM   #27
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OH - and another thing - did anyone else notice that the overpriced DEFI boost gauge is practically useless over 23 psi - it misreads by at least 2 psi on the high side

I hope the other gauges are more accurate
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Old 09-01-2002, 02:11 AM   #28
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Here is the results from Shivs' (Vishnu Perfomrance) Stage 3....stock tranny/clutch. Been driven that way DAILY for a while now!!!! should be in the 11's now...no NOS!!!!

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Old 09-01-2002, 02:19 AM   #29
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Here is the video footage.....
and sorry for that HUGE pict ^ hahaha

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/ssc/consu...age_3_dyno.mpg
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Old 09-01-2002, 02:24 AM   #30
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I cant wait to see where this one goes...



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Old 09-01-2002, 02:30 AM   #31
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WOW - seems like 400 plus HP is more common than we thought !!!!!

Seems that I remeber Shiv talking about something more in the range of 350 HP on this kit

When was that 424 HP run made??

The video did not come up for me - but I have a very bad connection

Looks like its time to get back to the dyno and go for a few more hp

Was the dyno run on the screen on race gas or pump gas??? and how many psi of boost ???

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Old 09-01-2002, 02:34 AM   #32
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So when you say "pump gas" with 26 psi, you really mean 26psi on 100 octane?

We have leaded 118 octane gas at Sears Point Raceway 76 Station. However, we do not call it "pump"

Pump gas is usually the 3 grades available everywhere. Regular, Premium and whetever the third one is.

In CA, it we have 87, 89 and 91.

What do you have and more importantly what did you use when you ran 26psi.

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Old 09-01-2002, 02:37 AM   #33
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It's Beaver Springs Dragway in Central PA, AL. Some faster cars will be using MapleGrove that weekend( NHRA Keystone Nationals).

www.beaversprings.com

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(BTW, we met once down at Rallispec when you got your wheels and brakes last summer)
Do you guys mean Sept 14th? Not the sport compact shoot-out on the 15th? If its the 14th at BSD, I have to be there, and I have the time to do so.

Al, you're f*&%ing insane. 103WHP per cylinder is awesome, especially on stock internals. You need to get some pictures up here, and you need to be sure and get video and pictures the first time you tear down your engine for a look-see. I want to see all the wear a setup like that puts down! Also, if possible on your next dyno run, get some video or even audio, I need to get a look or at least hear this beast.

I'm just waiting for someone like you to boost up the H6 either in the OB sedan or transplant to the WRX. I think it would scare the pants off most people to hear an H6 turbo spooling up under the hood of a WRX for the first time...
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Old 09-01-2002, 02:48 AM   #34
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Do you guys mean Sept 14th? Not the sport compact shoot-out on the 15th? If its the 14th at BSD, I have to be there, and I have the time to do so.

Al, you're f*&%ing insane. 103WHP per cylinder is awesome, especially on stock internals. You need to get some pictures up here, and you need to be sure and get video and pictures the first time you tear down your engine for a look-see. I want to see all the wear a setup like that puts down! Also, if possible on your next dyno run, get some video or even audio, I need to get a look or at least hear this beast.

I'm just waiting for someone like you to boost up the H6 either in the OB sedan or transplant to the WRX. I think it would scare the pants off most people to hear an H6 turbo spooling up under the hood of a WRX for the first time...
Yes - its going to be the 14th I am sure - or at least I think there is a big ALL subaru shootout that day - Nathan from turboxs is supposed to show up with his new creation and i hope to finally run him head to head

With all this talk of engine destruction I am starting to get real nervous here !!!!!!!!!!! My plan is NOT to blow up any engines anytime soon !

I will try and post a video - but I am very inept on cpu posting - - - I am hoping to get at least the dyno sheet up here in a day or two

As for the gas I used - - it was one half tank Mobil 93 octane unleaded and 5 galons of 100 octane CAM 2 unleaded pump gas - - A lot closer to your 91 than the C16 I normally use - - but still not that bad

Does anyone know HOW much boost a WRX will take ?????
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Old 09-01-2002, 03:10 AM   #35
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I am pretty certain that Shiv's dyno run was mixed 91 and 100 octane fuel...but that stage III is really cool
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Old 09-01-2002, 05:07 AM   #36
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Wow 420hp with a US spec motor

Thats impressive.

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Old 09-01-2002, 06:57 AM   #37
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Dumb pommie here

Can you just confirm to me what you mean by 412 'wheel' do you mean at the flywheel, PAW or at the wheels?

With an average transmission loss of 90-100bhp - that is an awful lot of power - not what we are seeing in the UK - it must be an awful big turbo charger...

...well done either way

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Old 09-01-2002, 07:57 AM   #38
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By wheel, it means all 4 wheels (tires).
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Old 09-01-2002, 08:03 AM   #39
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So when you say "pump gas" with 26 psi, you really mean 26psi on 100 octane?

We have leaded 118 octane gas at Sears Point Raceway 76 Station. However, we do not call it "pump"

Pump gas is usually the 3 grades available everywhere. Regular, Premium and whetever the third one is.

In CA, it we have 87, 89 and 91.

What do you have and more importantly what did you use when you ran 26psi.

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100 octane is not what the "average" person would consider pump gas, as it is very rare to drive into the "average" gas station to get it. Gas stations in the northeast usually carry 3 out of 87, 89, 91 and 93. Sunoco is the only brand available in 94 and I would say that less than 1% of all gas stations in this area have gas rated higher than that.
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Old 09-01-2002, 11:28 AM   #40
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AL,

Great job, you can now buy gas at a service station instead of mixing in your own toulene, and you are making more power. I guess the LINK is just what you needed.
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Old 09-01-2002, 11:49 AM   #41
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Here is the results from Shivs' (Vishnu Perfomrance) Stage 3....stock tranny/clutch. Been driven that way DAILY for a while now!!!! should be in the 11's now...no NOS!!!!
Can somebody confirm somthing for me in the picture of the dyno results for that car in 1WRX2NV post? If you look near the bottom of the screen you will see what I would guess to be rpms in 40.0, 50.0, etc... It looks to me like they are taking that car close to 8000rpm then? And the torque pretty much just keeps climbing from 50.0k rpms on (the cord is over the 5krpm column).

Just trying to figure out the spool up characteristics thats all .
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Old 09-01-2002, 12:11 PM   #42
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Wow 420hp with a US spec motor

Thats impressive.

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lol, trouble maker.

Trout, you can`t compare "our" (US) #'s to anywhere else. We seem to read quite a bit higher then the rest of the world.

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Old 09-01-2002, 12:18 PM   #43
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100 octane is not what the "average" person would consider pump gas, as it is very rare to drive into the "average" gas station to get it. Gas stations in the northeast usually carry 3 out of 87, 89, 91 and 93. Sunoco is the only brand available in 94 and I would say that less than 1% of all gas stations in this area have gas rated higher than that.
I am very lucky to be where I am - its nice to have these great fuels at the pump - - but I think the local gas station profits greatly from all the Subaru owners that live near here who are willing to pay $5.11 per gallon for the good stuff - Maybe you wrong coast guys should get together and fight city hall to change those stupid laws that keep you running on crappy gas all the time

I also have a local body shop that stocks all VP fuel in 5 gallon cans which again is very good

In order to beat that 424 HP run in the screen there I will certainly need the C-16 and some more boost

Its funny how they pop something like that out of the blue after I post my results here - - I wonder when they did it - - if they used pump gas - how much boost they ran and whether or not they ran the stock headers
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Can somebody confirm somthing for me in the picture of the dyno results for that car in 1WRX2NV post? If you look near the bottom of the screen you will see what I would guess to be rpms in 40.0, 50.0, etc... It looks to me like they are taking that car close to 8000rpm then? And the torque pretty much just keeps climbing from 50.0k rpms on (the cord is over the 5krpm column).
Thats MPH not RPM's.

Those are very impresive but its just too bad we have absalutely no clue what this car has done to it
If anyone knows any details about the so called Stage 3 that laid down 421whp please let us know. There are many people who are ready for a major buildup but have no clue when or what Shiv's combo is made of.
I don't know if I should wait or go Al's route and build my own

Nice numbers Al! Atleast you keep us posted on whats going on.
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Before everyone gets carried away with the numbers that were posted regarding Vishnu's stage three they need to realize that the the 421 or so horspower shown was not at the wheels but at the crank. I could be wrong but I was there the evening that they dynoed that vehicle and I can distinctly remember them saying that it was making somwhere in the range of 340 to 362 at the wheels. Right before everyone showed up that night they had just changed fuel pumps due to and earlier failure and didn't quite have the new one dialed in yet therefore the numbers were down a bit from what they were experiencing earlier. Once again I believe the number you are seeing on that graph was a corrected figure for crank horsepower. But I imagine we should let Shiv clear that up before all this speculation gets out of hand.

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Before everyone gets carried away with the numbers that were posted regarding Vishnu's stage three they need to realize that the the 421 or so horspower shown was not at the wheels but at the crank. I could be wrong but I was there the evening that they dynoed that vehicle and I can distinctly remember them saying that it was making somwhere in the range of 340 to 362 at the wheels. Right before everyone showed up that night they had just changed fuel pumps due to and earlier failure and didn't quite have the new one dialed in yet therefore the numbers were down a bit from what they were experiencing earlier. Once again I believe the number you are seeing on that graph was a corrected figure for crank horsepower. But I imagine we should let Shiv clear that up before all this speculation gets out of hand.

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Yeah - lets get to the bottom of this !!!

BTW - is there anyone out there I could FAX my dyno sheet to who could get it posted on here for me >??? I think you guys would like to see what this run looks like ! It feels even better on the street - I can't imagine what 500 HP will feel like
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This thread was just brought to my attention. We've always been happy to reveal info about the Stage 3 test car. The thing is, there really isn't much to it. It runs a stock motor, stock tranny and stock headers. All it has is a TEC2, fuel rails, custom T3/T04 turbo set up (custom up and downpipe), injectors and a FMIC.

It has dyno'd at 378 wheel hp on our AWD Dyno Dynamics Dyno, running 22psi of boost on a mixture of 91 and 100 octane unleanded gas.

Reading around 6% and 15% lower than Dynapacks and Dynojets, respsectively, the car's output roughly equates to ~400 wheel hp on AWD Dynapacks and ~435 wheel hp on an AWD Dynojet. Yes, those correction factors have been tested a number of times and are believed to be quite accurate. And no, the car does not and has never run nitrous. Just a nicely configured turbo and good engine management.

Before dyno tuning, with just 300 wheel hp, the car was running trap speeds of 110-111mph. With almost 25% more power at the wheels, the car is significantly faster to say the least. It's up to the owner to disclose any new 1/4 mile results. But yes, the car is the quickest daily-driver I've ever driven.

The screen shot from above was from the our unofficial Open House last month were the car "only" made about 330 wheel hp due to a last minute fuel pump failure that occurred that morning. With no other pump in stock, we had to run on a little 255lph Walbro pump designed for the Jackson Racing Miata supercharger kit (5psi on a 1.8L motor) that we borrowed from the Modicar guys next door

The crank hp estimate from that run was derived from Dyno Dynamics "Shootout" software which, as explained at the Open House, was specifically designed for the WRX to account for drivetrain losses. As the DD rep explained, they started off with an bare engine and started to add on the flywheel, clutch, tranny, etc,. until they ended up with a complete car. Kinda strange but it seemed to work as the stock car we baseline tested right before it made a calculated 222-228 crank hp (from 163-166 wheel hp). Still, it's best to speak only in wheel-hp terms, IMHO. The shoot-out test was just for demonstration purposes.

While we would like to believe that this WRX is the most powerful EJ20-powered (stock, built, Sti or otherwise) WRX in the country, we'll refrain from making such claims as we suspect that there is a bigger and badder world out there than what the internet would suggest.

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Al, you are still not telling me what OCTANE gas you have used for this run.

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Al, you are still not telling me what OCTANE gas you have used for this run.

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Alex, Read the posts........

Al stated:

"As for the gas I used - - it was one half tank Mobil 93 octane unleaded and 5 galons of 100 octane CAM 2 unleaded pump gas - - A lot closer to your 91 than the C16 I normally use - - but still not that bad "


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Al, you are still not telling me what OCTANE gas you have used for this run.

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As for the gas I used - - it was one half tank Mobil 93 octane unleaded and 5 galons of 100 octane CAM 2 unleaded pump gas - - A lot closer to your 91 than the C16 I normally use - - but still not that bad
hope this helps..

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