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10-05-2013, 12:46 PM | #176 |
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I have a set of 2008 forester struts laying around my shop if anyone wants them. The fir on my 2002 wagon with no issues
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10-21-2013, 09:39 AM | #177 |
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10-23-2013, 07:57 PM | #178 |
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10-23-2013, 10:13 PM | #179 |
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Are you guys doing anything handling wise? Or do the cars handle OK when lifted? I am going to do a full swap with forester suspension, subframe spacers, endlinks, trailing arm brackets, swaybar mounts, etc...will it handle sloppily?
Also, for an 06 OBS, how big can one go on the tires for say a General Grabber AT 2? Should I consider spacers and extended studs to get rid of the inset wheels and gain more clearance from the strut for tires? |
10-23-2013, 11:46 PM | #180 | |
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I run mine in rally crosses and spirited driving on forest roads A LOT!
Get an oversized rear sway bar to minimize understeer (you can go from stock OBS 13mm to a gen 1 outback RSB (18mm) straight swap.... or a WRX (i think 20mm?) Handling is fine, certainly not like a coil-overed WRX, but with the overall lower center of gravity that makes Subarus what they are, they can handle a little lift w/o really screwing up handling. I think 205x65 (maybe it's 215x60 or 65, I forget...) is the standard for a lifted impreza, but depending... if you do gen 2 foz lift AND a 1" spacer, You should be able to go 215 70?? I'd stick with 16s but look for less offset (maybe 40-45 compared to stock 55) Quote:
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10-23-2013, 11:47 PM | #181 |
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Looks great!!! get those trailing arm brackets and you'll be psyched. You'll be more psyched with less offset rims too.
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10-24-2013, 12:16 AM | #182 |
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I love this thread! So, I won't be attempting any of this till next year but for a decent lift I think I will go with this route: 09+ forrester struts (not sure if these will fit), king springs, 1/2" strut top spacers, forester subframe & transmission spacers, and lastly some alignment adjustment to deal with the rear wheel being pushed forward (any idea's?). Primitive has a kit, but it costs $250 . I will most likely be running my stock 16x6.5" wheels with 205/55/16 tires. Any feedback or help is much appreciated.
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11-12-2013, 03:00 PM | #183 |
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When you guys lift, are you generally finding that it causes you to lose achievable negative camber?
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11-14-2013, 07:33 PM | #184 |
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11-15-2013, 12:57 AM | #185 | |
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FOR lift AND kings (even the OEM kings lift some, the raised kings lift like 2+") AAAND spacers?! 205x55s will look like slicks under that lift! And for repositioning the rear - I'm not sure the multi-link rear is affected as much with lift as are MacPherson strut lifts with trailing arms in the rear... I've seen a couple lifted multi-link rears (gen 2 and 3 OBs), but I'm not too sure on the 09+ forester lift into your '11 rig. You may be pioneering some new ground, but any way you cut it, a forester lift WITH king springs AND a spacer is really tall. the available drive line lowering components may not adequately account for ALL that lifting. . . . just sayin' |
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11-15-2013, 01:01 AM | #186 | |
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(caveat: my experience) just a strut lift you can get alignments in spec (maybe camber kits in front), strut plus spring or spacer you'll need camber kits x4 but significant negative camber like in a racing set-up, you'll probably need a camber kit period or one of those wicked-expensive-but-totally-awesome camber plates on the strut mount |
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11-15-2013, 01:17 AM | #187 | |
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Yeah after researching; forester struts & springs alone is a pretty intense lift. I found a guy with a 08 wrx on DirtyImpreza who did it but he is swapping out every other component from the forester to his wrx which would be costly. I think my new plan is to get some king springs for my platform, some 215/65/17 grabbers, and maybe a 1" tophat spacer. Cheaper and more realistic with less possible problems. I guess I got a little excited when I first started learning about lifting |
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11-15-2013, 12:20 PM | #188 | |
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I know how it goes. Quote:
I think your sidebar says 2011 2.5i (is that an OB or impreza?) I haven't seen very many lifts on 05+ outbacks or 09+ foresters or 08-09+ imprezas. I think there is still some interchangeability for lifting these newer rigs but certainly the strut top spacer is the most cost effective way to get a little more ground clearance, but other bits may limit up-sizing tires. |
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11-16-2013, 02:44 PM | #189 |
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PM replied. For reference here as well, the wheel offset is 40mm. I really think the tires rubbed with the OEM wheel because the car hadn't been aligned yet and the camber was so far off that the tires rubbed the strut perch.
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11-16-2013, 06:39 PM | #190 |
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Very insightful response, thanks!
Guess it's time for me to pull the trigger on tires. |
11-17-2013, 06:23 PM | #191 |
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unless i'm reading wrong, a 38 or 40 offset would push the wheel FURTHER away from the strut per a stock Suby rim is usually 55 and people want LESS offset to get away from the strut shaft. seems like what you say would be more like 60+ offset. . . .
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11-17-2013, 06:28 PM | #192 |
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11-17-2013, 07:37 PM | #193 | |
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11-18-2013, 11:14 PM | #194 |
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Another question about lifting the Impreza wagon, if I use just Forester struts it looks like it's about 1.5-2" higher. Will I need to worry about axles popping out? I've heard there can be issues there, and if there are I may need to reconsider and do just strut spacers to get a little less lift.
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11-19-2013, 09:41 AM | #195 | |
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11-19-2013, 06:01 PM | #196 | |
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Copying joshuajayg: As far as I understand (other than getting the rear trailing arm bracket to recenter the back hubs in the wheel well, it's a straight swap and good lift), the gen 2 forester strut alone will not be detrimental to axles, although yours may fail sooner once lifted as you're changing the active wear patterns which may lead to premature failure) You may need camber bolts to help with alignment BUT, all that said, spacers are easier, cheaper and afford good clearance. i think you can even get 215 65s and maybe 70s in factory struts too, then a 1" block is a good balance.. |
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11-22-2013, 04:02 PM | #197 | |
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Doing just spacers would probably be fine, but I think I'd be better off with 1.5-2" of lift and the bigger tires. If I did go for just the strut spacers, can they be installed without disassembling the strut assemblies? I assume the spacers are proven and work fine? Last edited by Pinned; 11-22-2013 at 04:19 PM. |
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11-25-2013, 02:22 PM | #198 | ||
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no different in fitment, i think the FXT springs may have a higher rate (more sport tuned) and the FXT is a scosh heavier than the non turbo. But yeah, any 03-08 forester will afford the same lift. i think 02 is still first gen and is not as high of a lift and allows less big tires than the 2nd gen forester (03-08) or even 1st gen outback struts (96-99). Quote:
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12-04-2013, 02:02 AM | #199 |
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OK gentlemen, right now I've got a 98 Impreza OBS with stock struts and a 2" drop... so I think that's 3" from the stock OBS springs.
I want to lift the car a bit so I can add a bit larger (height and width) tires. I want to get some grabbers on my 03 wrx rims. I know if I put the OBS springs back on and 1" spacers there's no way I could fit grabbers because of the spring perch So my question is, if I use struts and springs from a 97-99 legacy outback, can I swap the rear top hats with my Impreza ones? I'd rather not modify the holes. And would that give me enough clearance to fit grabbers? Also someone said that the 98 and 99 OBS had the taller trailing arm brackets than the base model impreza. Is that true? Thanks guys. |
12-04-2013, 10:11 AM | #200 |
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Just get yourself a set of fozzy struts and call it a day.
The 98-99 outback sport came from the factory with lower rear swaybar mounts, drivetrain spacers, and geometry correcting rear trailing arm brackets, all of these things make for a fairly straightforward lift. |
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