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Old 06-28-2010, 01:41 PM   #351
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thanks unabomber for being so humble i win i will honor you in my signature
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:10 AM   #352
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Hello everybody!

I have a 09'Forester XT in Brazil. Now I have to do the 30.000km inspection and the dealer in Brazil insists that I have to change the engine coolant to keep the warranty.

Here in Brazil we don't have a "Subaru of Brazil" just a representative company that import Subaru (and Hyundai too ).

Considering that all 09 subies use the Subaru Super Coolant, why would I need to change the coolant in Brazil? Does anyone know if Subaru uses a different engine coolant for cars that come to Brazil? My VIN number beginnings with JF1SH9LT59G.....

I appreciated any comment.

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Old 07-09-2010, 11:12 AM   #353
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Hello everybody!

I have a 09'Forester XT in Brazil. Now I have to do the 30.000km inspection and the dealer in Brazil insists that I have to change the engine coolant to keep the warranty.

Here in Brazil we don't have a "Subaru of Brazil" just a representative company that import Subaru (and Hyundai too ).

Considering that all 09 subies use the Subaru Super Coolant, why would I need to change the coolant in Brazil? Does anyone know if Subaru uses a different engine coolant for cars that come to Brazil? My VIN number beginnings with JF1SH9LT59G.....

I appreciated any comment.

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you should have super blue coolant in it and it doesn't need to be replaced for 11years or 137,500 miles; whichever comes first
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:25 AM   #354
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you should have super blue coolant in it and it doesn't need to be replaced for 11years or 137,500 miles; whichever comes first
I know but the problem is how I prove this to my terrible dealer??

Anyone has a contact of International Subaru? I already explain this to the dealer but he says that is the policy for not loose my the warranty. He just says: "It's the due to the maintenance schedule in Brazil"

Thanks!!
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:23 PM   #355
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Do you have a copy of the owner's manual?? Just show them the maintenance schedule in the book. Proof enough!

Also, have them show you any legal documentation from Subaru that states the BS they are telling you!
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:42 PM   #356
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Do you have a copy of the owner's manual?? Just show them the maintenance schedule in the book. Proof enough!

Also, have them show you any legal documentation from Subaru that states the BS they are telling you!
I do have the owner's manual but the problem is that this manual is written by the Brazilian representative group (CAOA Montadora de Veículos S/A). And this manual (???) states that coolant needs to be replaced in 30.000km. Is this ridiculous or what??????
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:49 PM   #357
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This question may have been answered before, but I just searched and didn't find it. I just changed my coolant with 50/50 Subaru OEM coolant ('06 WRX, stock power except Cobb turboback and APv2). I haven't seen any indication of overheating on the dashboard temp gauge, but I'm paranoid, so I'm reading the coolant temp with my Accessport while I drive around. The highest temp I saw under normal driving was 201 F.

What is the normal operating temperature that I should be reading with my AP? If it's reading 200+ should I be concerned with air bubbles still in the system?

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Old 07-13-2010, 06:25 PM   #358
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i just replaced my coolant according to the diy on the link. and after i did it i ran the car and everything seemed fine. so i drove to qt and i noticed the coolant was leaking? so i drive home and it stopped. then it started all over again? is my water pump going bad? or did i over fill it?

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/newreply...te=1&p=2903815
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Old 08-27-2010, 07:54 AM   #359
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So I need to replace my thermostat gasket and went looking for Peak Global and you cannot find this stuff anymore. This was readily available at Walmart for a long time. I called all around and found it at NAPA in concentrate form.

The Subaru super blue coolant is $22.95 a bottle. Are you kidding me??

If Peak Global is going away we may need to update the FAQ cause at the very least it is super hard to find.

UPDATE: I found this stuff at a local autoparts store that supplies most of the repair shops in town. So I guess the chain stores will not this carry anymore so need to seek out the smaller places. Unfortunately the price is not Walmart cheap $7.50 v. $12, but still better than $23.

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Old 08-27-2010, 08:18 AM   #360
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Here is an aftermarket alternative: Zerex® Asian Vehicle Antifreeze / Coolant

*5 year/150,000 Mile Guarantee
*Recommended for all Asian Vehicles
*Compatible with Asian coolants and cooling systems.
*Silicate Free, Phosphated HOAT Chemistry
*Protects against freeze-ups and boilovers
*Protects against rust and corrosion
*Premixed with demineralized water

**Available by request through NAPA

http://www.valvoline.com/products/br...antifreeze/105
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:34 AM   #361
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Thanks to this excellent FAQ and associated threads I was able to swap a Mishimoto and hoses into my '03 last night in 2.5hrs from opening the box to cleaning up after a test drive. I really appreciate all the effort that Unabomber has put into these documents.

The failure on my oem part was the same thing that a lot of others have experienced recently...fractured/cracked plastic end tank. Hopefully I'm good for another 125k now!
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Old 12-11-2010, 04:46 PM   #362
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I just had a coolant change by a mechanic a month ago, and the tube connected to the radiator got disconnected and sprayed coolant all over the place, so I lost a lot of coolant (it's now below the low line).

Can I just add coolant to the reservoir? Do I have to add the conditioner as well at this point?
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Old 12-11-2010, 05:40 PM   #363
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Depends on previous mixture. There is a device that you can get for a few bucks to check the mixture. Personally I would add water cause to much coolant is not good. Pure water is the best to run in a hot environment.
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Old 12-11-2010, 07:12 PM   #364
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Depends on previous mixture. There is a device that you can get for a few bucks to check the mixture. Personally I would add water cause to much coolant is not good. Pure water is the best to run in a hot environment.
It's freezing here in Pittsburgh....
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Old 12-11-2010, 07:31 PM   #365
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Then try to keep the mix at 50/50 so you get the max antifreeze temp. the 70/30 is for hot climates that rarely freeze.
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Old 12-11-2010, 10:28 PM   #366
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Ok guys, my car is being a pain in the butt... A little while ago, I had to change out the timing belt, tensioners and water pump and thermostat. I put everything back together along with putting new coolant in. Everything worked for awhile then I noticed the coolant getting lower at a very slow rate in the over flow tank. Well, I discovered that the upper radiator hose was not quite tightened down enough so I fixed that. Well, after a little while again, the coolant is getting lower in the over flow tank. I see nothing leaking any where now, I check the oil regularly and it's not going in there so this has me puzzled. The only other place that I can think of where the coolant could be seeping is through the little rubber gasket found in the idle air control valve unit as the coolant does pass through there at the throttle body. Right now the coolant is down like 3 cups maybe but is down none the less.

Any help would be appreciated!
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Old 12-12-2010, 12:25 PM   #367
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Are you sure you had the system completely full the first time?
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^^^ I am pretty sure as it stayed the same level for almost 2 weeks. I keep checking the oil but nothing in there. And no leaks any where that I can see. Maybe some air trapped in the heater core not allowing me to completely fill it?

I however haven't added any coolant conditioner yet, so am going to get on it soon.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:34 AM   #369
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What aftermarket coolant can I use? This was detailed in the May 2005 issue of End Wrench which is no longer online, but paraphrased here. When adding, replacing or servicing the cooling system always use Genuine Subaru Long Life Coolant. Genuine Subaru Long Life Coolant is a phosphate (non-amine) type and is specially formulated for all Subaru vehicles equipped with aluminum engines and radiators. Coolant of other types may not provide the proper protection to aid against corrosion of aluminum parts. If an equivalent must be used, make sure it is a phosphate (non-amine) type. As a reminder, use of Genuine Subaru Long Life Coolant is mandatory on all repairs paid for by Subaru of America, Inc. that require the replenishment of coolant. This holds true for any claim type. Whenever the coolant is changed, you must add Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner. Genuine Subaru Cooling System Conditioner has been tested and approved for aluminum engines and radiators. Do not use after-market coolant reinforcement agents, sealers and/or flushing agents as those chemicals could corrode aluminum parts.

What is the best coolant? The "best" coolant differs from stock SOA advice, so use at your own discretion. Ensure you choose one that contains no silicates and no phosphates. Silicates act as a cleaner, but also eat away at water pumps and seals. If you mix a coolant containing phosphates and water with a high mineral content, the phosphates in the coolant may “drop out” and form deposits in your cooling system that can lead to corrosion. Only recently have aftermarket coolant manufacturers started producing silicate and phosphate free coolant. Generally speaking, the types of coolant that are compliant are the newer "extended life" coolants. However, you should carefully review the product labels and/or product websites to ensure they are silicate/phosphate free.
OK, so I didn't have the time nor the patience to read all eleven pages of this thread so this might be my own fault, but the two highlighted quotes from the above paragraphs seem to be completely contradictory. Can anyone comment?

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Old 01-09-2011, 12:15 AM   #370
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You missed this part: "The "best" coolant differs from stock SOA advice, so use at your own discretion"
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Here is an interesting 2010 article on coolants:
http://www.motor.com/article.asp?article_ID=1655

"..........In all the years we've been reporting on cooling systems, we've never seen the antifreeze situation more confusing......."
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Damn....I thought my confusing article was confusing but the link you posted makes me go cross eyed!
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............My own research shows me that Subaru's use of "non-amine", for example, in my opinion is a deliberate attempt to mislead consumers. If the information I have is correct, and virtually ALL antifreeze has been non-amine for decades, why does SOA list it as a requirement?...........
Maybe, maybe not. Amines in coolant were banned in Norway in the 1980s, because of research a decade earlier in Sweden that showed amines + nitrite produced a carcinogen. Amine coolants continued to be sold in Japan (into the early 2000s I believe), but nitrites in coolant were banned. It was not until after 2000 that the Japanese heavy equipment manufacturer Komatsu developed a non-amine coolant for their engines. Subaru may have a long history with amine coolants, and their use of a non-amine formula may be relatively recent, and thus they find it necessary to point out that one should use a non-amine coolant.
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...........Are phosphates the difference from the Subaru recommendation that was referred to? What's being recommended seems more contradictory than "compliant". I don't see where the anti-phosphate information came from.

I'm inclined to stick with Subaru recommended phosphates.
Me too.

In Subaru TSB 09-42-05, from 2005, Subaru tells us:

"Subaru Long Life Coolant is a phosphate (non-amine) type.......................
If an equivalent must be used, make sure it is a phosphate (non-amine) type."

I have never seen Subaru specify a non-phosphate Long Life coolant in a TSB, or in an EndWrench communication, or in the FSM, or in the owner's manual.

Perhaps the blue Super Coolant is phosphate free ( ? ), but the green Long Life coolant contains phosphate, based on everything I have seen.
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Here is another excellent article (2004), from Motor Magazine, called "Coolant Confusion"

http://www.motor.com/article.asp?article_ID=816

"Japanese conventional coolants contain no silicates, but they do contain phosphates for fast-acting protection, plus other inhibitors. Extensive Japanese tests have shown phosphates to be a good corrosion inhibitor for aluminum, and particularly effective in protecting water pumps from corrosion after cavitation erosion/corrosion."
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