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04-01-2013, 02:29 PM | #26 |
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If Kia comes out with something the engine will be great but the chassis and gearbox will be crap. The Genesis Coupe could be such a great car if not for a couple of really bad shortcomings, this won't be any different unfortunately.
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04-02-2013, 01:20 AM | #27 |
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I wouldn't count them out yet. The Korean car manufacturers are improving their products at a faster rate than the Japanese did when they started selling cars in the US. IMO, Kia has a better chance of building a RWD car that can take on the BRZ/FRS and MX-5 than say, Nissan or Honda or any US-branded auto manufacturer in the near future.
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Nissan has experience with the 370z and Honda had the S2000, so I see no reason to doubt their abilities. Both with long motorsports reputations. Ever seen a Kia win a major race? |
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04-02-2013, 02:07 AM | #31 |
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Is it likely millen racing will bring anything to the table production wise in the chassis/handling department?
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04-02-2013, 02:51 AM | #33 |
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I have to concur with the general zeitgeist of this thread.
HK competed with the Mustang/Nissan FM cars with the Genesis Coupe. Almost there. HK tried to bring back the spirit of the CRX and compete with the Scirocco with the Veloster. Almost there. HK gave a damn good effort with the Optima/Sonata but even arthritic old Honda still beat them with the new Accord. Well, Kia does have some experience with two-seaters... |
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04-02-2013, 05:36 AM | #35 |
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By that same token, did the mention of Subaru + small, light, RWD coupe = legitimate driver's car seem plausible even a few years ago? Or that it would turn out as well as it did their first time out (admittedly with more than a bit of help from Toyota)?
As of now, there are no rumors surrounding either Nissan or Honda at all regarding a possible BRZ competitor. Also, unlike the two aforementioned manufacturers with the experience and know-how, Kia at the very least has expressed the desire to build a car to go head to head with the BRZ/FRS. Last edited by hi5.0; 04-02-2013 at 05:43 AM. |
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Let me rephrase that. KIA did better than subaru did in a shorter time. do not count out the Koreans. They were counted out when they first got here, and in 10 years they overtook almost anybody. They build up a luxury brand that gets great reviews and the Genesis coupe can give the 370Z a run for its money. Say They do build a car that is 90% of the BRZ in feel and performance, but is just not quite there. now imagine that car costing 19500 dollars. They may not claim the highest honors for performance, but value they rule on. |
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IMO they could have had a market killer if they had left the 2.0t genesis coupe the same price after all the improvements. They felt they weren't competitive, so they made tons of improvements, but upped the price too, which left sales about where they were (very small). The car is still awesome value for performance, but the v6 stang with track pack is just so hard to beat for the money being under 30k. The v6 GC is meh. Both the 370 & GC suck it up to the GT. The evo is a welcome competitor with a different take on how to get performance and the STi is middle of the road of the 5 30-40k sports cars. |
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It might be easier for Hyundai/Kia engineers to dial in the chassis of a lighter 2800 lbs vehicle as opposed to a portlier 3,300 lbs vehicle like the Genesis Coupe.
It's just easier to control a lighter chassis than an heavier one and Hyundai/Kia might just pull this one off. As others said, additional competition in this segment can only be a good thing for us enthusiasts. |
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no Kia CAN'T take on the FRS . maybe in 10 years but those companies have no experience with making sporty cars, the genesis sucks! the veloster has a very crappy engine transmission combo with horrible acceleration numbers.
Both Toyota and Subaru have years and years of car racing experience which these Korean companies lack! |
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I think you're just talking out of your ass. This vid shows the 2.0t beating the frs around a road course: Now, in terms of looks, the FRS wins, but that's not saying much. Neither looks anywhere near as sexy as an AP2 s2000. |
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This. I've never seen an automotive company make such a positive transformation in such a short time. They have the right resources now, and each new MY is better than the last. To under estimate them would be foolish.
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04-02-2013, 03:48 PM | #47 |
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S2000 is one of the best looking roadsters of all time!
(but srsy, the dick tail lights on the ft86 chassis, coupled with the horrible hood that is 1/2 of the fender, the straight nose line, the ambiguous "is this a hatch or is there a trunk" from any 3/4 view... is there even any competition?) There is one amazing looking frs out there that beats a stock s2000, but it isn't stock (granted the are minor modifications): That spoiler and lowered body line completely changes the car's look from boring to properly aggressive. |
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Well... there are rumors. There are S2000/Silvia successor rumors like every 6 months to a year popping up in magazines. Unfortunately, they are not the "someone high up in the company let it slip" or "saw a mule testing" kind of rumors, but rather the "a magazine just completely ****ing made it up and printed it" kind of rumors.
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04-02-2013, 04:54 PM | #49 |
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If it looks like this^... not a chance. If it looks like this^, with Genesis Coupe's 2.0T 274hp drivetrain in a slightly more trim, and lighter body... and if it has a fastback hatch... FT86 triplets are in trouble. Even if the Kia comes to 3000-3100lbs... but has that 75hp, and force-fed torque curve to compensate, it will be the winner, until either an H6 or an FA20DIT finds its way under the FT86 cars' hoods. And BTW.... BRZ/FRS needs these tail lights FAR more than it needs any of the above pictured body kit stuff. |
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Had to put the H6 in there didn't you Hip old budd
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