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Old 11-20-2013, 11:07 AM   #1
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Nissan’s pulled some silky sheets off these two rear-drive concepts – the IDx Freeflow (in brown, above) and IDx Nismo (in white). No prizes for guessing which is which. They'd been kept well secret beforehand, and lobbed a cheery little firework into the middle of the Tokyo show.

They might not be just concepts either. There's a genuine will – and willingness – in the company to get something spun from them into production. Top Gear has heard it from the very top.

Scrapyard regulars will notice many hints of the late-sixties Datsun 510, but these two showcase have been designed in conjunction with 100 young people –“digital natives” (as the manufacturer insists), all born after 1990. It’s an attempt to reengage da yoof with cars, because especially in Japan they they think cars aren’t cool any more.

There's the usual clod of connectivity stuff. Nissan sees the Freeflow being powered by either a 1.2 or 1.5-litre engine that use a CVT, leaving it pretty limp in the performance stakes, but keeping the cost of motoring down. For the same reason, it's compact, just 4.1 metres long and 1.7 metres wide.
Then there’s the Nismo. Which is is half a meter wider, and has lots of SPORT things like carbon fibre trim and a side exhaust and 19-inch wheels and bolt-on wheelarch extensions. Nissan reckons it’d go nicely with its DIG-T turbocharged 1.6-litre petrol engine strapped to a CVT.

Team Top Gear stood and played a hugely enjoyable game of spot the reference. We got the early Datsun Bluebird 510, we got Fiat Twin-cam Mirafioris, we got Ford Mexico rally cars and the BMW 2002 and 1970s J-racers. And yet both IDx flavours look modern too.

They also reminded of us of the Chevy Code 130R concept from Detroit in 2012, and that was built to answer similar questions as the IDx.
There's tremendous finesse in the chiselling of the IDx's surfacing and the joints around the cap roofs. The details and jewellery are exquisite, with lovely simple steering wheels and aluminium switches and dials in pods. The Nismo version shows how owners could tizz up their cars with a bounty of accessories.

We bumped in Shiro Nakamura, Nissan's design director. How come a car designed for the young gives so much joy to people old enough to remember the 1960s? "Yes of course. It's for the old as well as the young. But we have that heritage and history so we can use it."

Does it have to be rear-drive? "Has to be. Has to be. For the proportions." OK, but you don't have a small RWD platform. "We have the Z. But yes, that's too big and expensive. So we would have to work hard on that."
Are you going to build it? "Talk to the boss. I want to. Really."

Five minutes later we were indeed talking to the boss, having grabbed a passing Carlos Ghosn. Same questions for him: why make such a big deal that it's a car for the young when it appeals to older fans so much too? "The young don't want to be seen in a car for old people." In other words, please the young and aim it at them. The rest will follow.

So will you build it? "We don't just build what we like, we build cars that you guys, the public, likes. There has to be a business. But if we get a great reaction with the concept, that makes a business." Is it technically feasible, if you don't have quite the right platform? "Of course it's feasible, if we know we can sell the right numbers to make a business."

So there you go. Lobby in the space below. If enough people want the IDx, it'll get built.



















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Old 11-20-2013, 11:39 AM   #2
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Must have that gauge cluster
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Old 11-20-2013, 12:02 PM   #3
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:57 PM   #4
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They're funky, yet kind of cool looking.

If they only come with a CVT though, I'll pass.
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Old 11-20-2013, 03:23 PM   #5
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510? Sidepipes? Sign me up.
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Old 11-20-2013, 03:46 PM   #6
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I would give my left nut for this car
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Old 11-20-2013, 03:52 PM   #7
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Just saw the clutch pedal in the sporty one. If we get a manual this will be my no 1 choice for a new car.
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Old 11-20-2013, 04:22 PM   #8
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I did not expect this..

Way to go Nissan.. I had totally written you off!
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Old 11-20-2013, 04:35 PM   #9
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Not totally sure what I think about this, but it is interesting.
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:14 PM   #10
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I really really dig the Nismo one. The face needs help, it's a little too "whale shark" for my taste, but the overall package isn't bad and it'd be a serious contender for my monies.

I like how they made it obviously inspired by the 510 and Hakosuka without slapping you in the face with it or going overboard on trying to futurize a classic style *cough cough Chevrolet cough*
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Old 11-20-2013, 06:09 PM   #11
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even has frameless windows

*swoon*
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:04 PM   #12
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I think I've posted something about Nissan needs to build the Neo510 concept every year for the last 5 or so... I think I'm going to pass out.


****ing build it Nissan... Because there isn't a car in your lineup I could look excited about winning on a game show other than the GT-R.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:06 PM   #13
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LOL a re-made five and dime!
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:40 PM   #14
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Holy ****, something cool and original (fine, throwback, but you get it).

Build it.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:41 PM   #15
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Because there isn't a car in your lineup I could look excited about winning on a game show other than the GT-R.


How bad is that.

It's probably not even their fault. People just suck now-adays. Boring.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:44 PM   #16
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I honestly don't know why I am so attracted to these cars...on one hand they don't look that great, but on the other hand the overall design is attractive. They could definitely use some tweaking if they were to go into production but the silhouette in the end must be the same.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:47 PM   #17
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Sunny and share!
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:32 PM   #18
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I hope they build it. Looks great.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:35 AM   #19
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CVT only?!?! And THAT is when they shot themselves in the foot. If they want to bring back "Cool" to cars, they need to promote driver engagement. Encourage the driver to row their own gears, let them experience a mechanical connection to their cars. Nissan pretending to throw themselves back in to the game with this concept being CVT only, just proves that they don't get it.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:41 AM   #20
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freaking ugly.
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Wasn't feeling these two cars at first, but now I'm really liking them.

I also really like this quote:
"We don't just build what we like, we build cars that you guys, the public, likes."

Please explain the Juke (Nismo) and the Murano Cabriolet then. LOL
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Old 11-21-2013, 06:21 AM   #25
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Wasn't feeling these two cars at first, but now I'm really liking them.

I also really like this quote:
"We don't just build what we like, we build cars that you guys, the public, likes."

Please explain the Juke (Nismo) and the Murano Cabriolet then. LOL
Ummm... The Juke is selling pretty darn well.
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