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Old 07-03-2014, 12:14 AM   #4626
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Idk cause I'm not sure how the extra half inch of width makes a big difference. Upstate ny gets a good amount of snow so I wanna make sure it works but I also want to make sure it looks decent too. $800 for the wheels and tires total.....
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Old 07-03-2014, 12:34 AM   #4627
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Idk cause I'm not sure how the extra half inch of width makes a big difference. Upstate ny gets a good amount of snow so I wanna make sure it works but I also want to make sure it looks decent too. $800 for the wheels and tires total.....
The narrower tire really makes a difference in fresh unplowed snow. I live in Tahoe, and we average 30-40 feet per year. I run the stock STI size of 245/18 with no issue. Don't worry about it and run stock size.
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Old 08-25-2014, 10:40 PM   #4628
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Just bought a 2015 STI and was planning on using older STI 5x114.3 17" wheels for my snow tires. I was under the impression that the wheel fitment was the same and that these would clear the brakes. Is that accurate?
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:25 PM   #4629
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Last week, Bridgestone introduced their upcoming Blizzak WS80 at an event held at the Bridgestone Winter Driving School in Steamboat Springs, CO. The evaluations conducted on an ice rink and at the winter driving school's training courses confirmed the tire's outstanding ice and snow traction.

The Blizzak WS80 will be the next member of Bridgestone's studless winter tire family that has included the Blizzak WS60 and WS70 tires. It will feature a further enhanced Multi-Cell compound molded into a tread design that combines 20% more biting edges with Bridgestone's latest generation of high-density 3D siping designed to combine snow/ice traction with dry/wet road capability.

Blizzak WS80 tires will in forty-eight 70 to 35-series sizes for 15" to 18" rim diameters during the third quarter of 2014.
I've never tried Blizzak's before and understand that these have longer tread life then the previous generations, correct? I'm in the western part of Virginia a short distance from West Virginia and we get a healthy dose of snow, but my commute is fairly long and I'd burn up soft compound snow tires in one season.

PS I'm running a XV Crosstrek and am leaning toward a 16" tire package.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:18 PM   #4630
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tires only or winter package: hmmm...

Here are my options:

1) put winter tires on stock rims (right now I'm thinking Altimax arctics but not sure what size.) and get another summer setup.
2) put all-season tires on new 18s (right now I'm thinking 235/40R18 Conti ExtremeContact DWS or Hankook ventus S1 noble2)


I'm in central Ohio. We had a pretty bad winter last year. I don't have a terrible commute, but I park on the street on a side street that doesn't get plowed often, and I need to drive every day. Any advice welcome.

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I've never tried Blizzak's before and understand that these have longer tread life then the previous generations, correct? I'm in the western part of Virginia a short distance from West Virginia and we get a healthy dose of snow, but my commute is fairly long and I'd burn up soft compound snow tires in one season.

PS I'm running a XV Crosstrek and am leaning toward a 16" tire package.
Its not so much the tread life, but that the tread on those (if the same as previous) turns to all season rubber at 60% wear. Only the top 60% is the winter multicell compound. Ive had revo1's, ws60's and ws70's, they were all great, but I tried the goodyear ultra grip ice last year and liked it just as much if not more. Better characteristics in the dry than the blizzak IMHO, and the rubber is the same through the whole tread block. Winter grip was just as good as blizzak (except when brand new, blizzaks are really grippy, but that goes away) When the multicell compound is worn through, I noticed a big drop in grip in snow. Not sure how the ws80 stacks up of course. In your situation, the goodyear might be a better choice, or perhaps a performance winter instead.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:46 AM   #4632
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The narrower tire really makes a difference in fresh unplowed snow. I live in Tahoe, and we average 30-40 feet per year. I run the stock STI size of 245/18 with no issue. Don't worry about it and run stock size.
Im just letting go of the narrower is better ethos....I was fixated on it for a long time, but if youre not driving rally, I dont think it matters. It was tough to do...
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Old 08-31-2014, 11:02 AM   #4633
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im torn between dunlop winter sport 3ds and pirelli sotto zero 3s. my last winter tire set i have been driving on for the past 3 winters were dunlop winter sport m3s. as much as i liked the m3s and was just going to buy the 3ds im curious how the sotto zeros compare: if the sotto zeros are better or about the same, or should i just stick with dunlops? has anyone tried both tires? any feed back is appreciated. thanks!
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:01 PM   #4634
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Anyone know if 215/55R16 will fit the 2015 WRX? These are off a 2007 Cobalt SS (non-supercharged) that has OEM 205 17s.

I'm thinking they won't work, but I'm ignorant to tire/sizing so apologize if a stupid question!
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:32 PM   #4635
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I'm not sure if this was a typo or not - but any R16 tire will not work on the 2015 - we have 17 inch wheels stock.
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Old 08-31-2014, 05:44 PM   #4636
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im torn between dunlop winter sport 3ds and pirelli sotto zero 3s. my last winter tire set i have been driving on for the past 3 winters were dunlop winter sport m3s. as much as i liked the m3s and was just going to buy the 3ds im curious how the sotto zeros compare: if the sotto zeros are better or about the same, or should i just stick with dunlops? has anyone tried both tires? any feed back is appreciated. thanks!
I think it is 4d vs sotto zero but I would pick Dunlop. Even though my wife had 4d and we had to replace them with Xi3 as Dunlops would not balance well (I got tire rack included force balance registering 40+ lbs of force when attempting to rebalance shaking wheel/tire assembly).

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Old 08-31-2014, 06:23 PM   #4637
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Its not so much the tread life, but that the tread on those (if the same as previous) turns to all season rubber at 60% wear. Only the top 60% is the winter multicell compound. Ive had revo1's, ws60's and ws70's, they were all great, but I tried the goodyear ultra grip ice last year and liked it just as much if not more. Better characteristics in the dry than the blizzak IMHO, and the rubber is the same through the whole tread block. Winter grip was just as good as blizzak (except when brand new, blizzaks are really grippy, but that goes away) When the multicell compound is worn through, I noticed a big drop in grip in snow. Not sure how the ws80 stacks up of course. In your situation, the goodyear might be a better choice, or perhaps a performance winter instead.
How do you know the bottom layer on the Blizzak isn't a "normal" winter tread compound? I don't see any reason why Bridgestone would put an all season compound on half of the tread over a less aggressive winter compound.

Also keep in mind that any winter tire will perform significantly worse when it's 50% worn (or more). Tread depth has a huge effect on snow performance.
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....l=Blizzak+WS80

"When the Blizzak WS80 is 50 percent worn, a tread depth indicator molded into the tread design lets the driver know that only 10 percent of the remaining tread is Multicell compound."

I bet Bridgestone reasoning is exactly that. At 50% tread depth the winter tires are not winter capable anymore so why bother with magic compound.

It only makes transition a double whammy - shallow tread depth cobined with all season compound. Apparently never be late replacing WS series as they have dramatic difference between the two phases of their life.

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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....l=Blizzak+WS80

"When the Blizzak WS80 is 50 percent worn, a tread depth indicator molded into the tread design lets the driver know that only 10 percent of the remaining tread is Multicell compound."

I bet Bridgestone reasoning is exactly that. At 50% tread depth the winter tires are not winter capable anymore so why bother with magic compound.

It only makes transition a double whammy - shallow tread depth cobined with all season compound. Apparently never be late replacing WS series as they have dramatic difference between the two phases of their life.

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That's BS. They wouldn't be stupid enough to deliberately gimp the tire after 50% of it's tread life just to force you to buy a new set. That's how you lose customers.

I'd be extremely surprised if it was an all-season compound underneath. It's more than likely a "regular" winter compound without the multicell feature.
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considering that stock summer tire on stock rims are 235 45 17 can i use my 225 55 17 winter tires on stock wrx rims ?

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Old 09-01-2014, 01:16 PM   #4641
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That's BS. They wouldn't be stupid enough to deliberately gimp the tire after 50% of it's tread life just to force you to buy a new set. That's how you lose customers.

I'd be extremely surprised if it was an all-season compound underneath. It's more than likely a "regular" winter compound without the multicell feature.
Uh, yeah they would. For the exact reason stated, get that far down in the tread and they don't consider them winter capable tires anymore. It may not go to an 'all season compound' but it obviously changes.
It's my understanding that's pretty common. Similar to tires that have an abundance of built in siping, rarely does that siping go all the way down to the end of life of the tires.
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Uh, yeah they would. For the exact reason stated, get that far down in the tread and they don't consider them winter capable tires anymore. It may not go to an 'all season compound' but it obviously changes.
It's my understanding that's pretty common. Similar to tires that have an abundance of built in siping, rarely does that siping go all the way down to the end of life of the tires.
Winter tires are designed to be "winter capable" for their full service life, not just the upper half of the tread with the fancier compound. Deliberately reducing winter performance on a winter-specific tire to force new sales is a safety risk, and tire companies aren't willing to face that sort of liability. They are EXTREMELY conservative about safety related items.

Tires don't have full depth siping because it makes the tire significantly more difficult to remove from the mold once it's finished curing, and once you've lost that much tread depth, the sipes don't provide as much benefit.

As much as you'd like to think that the tire manufacturers are trying to swindle you into buying a new set once the tires are half worn, they would never assume the responsibility of knowingly reducing the safety of the tire just to make another sale.
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I think it is 4d vs sotto zero but I would pick Dunlop. Even though my wife had 4d and we had to replace them with Xi3 as Dunlops would not balance well (I got tire rack included force balance registering 40+ lbs of force when attempting to rebalance shaking wheel/tire assembly).
When I talked with people at TireRack who had tried both (on a GTI, admittedly), they didn't like the 4D's better than the M3's. Not only that, they preferred the Pirelli Sottozero 3's to both.

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Winter tires are designed to be "winter capable" for their full service life, not just the upper half of the tread with the fancier compound. Deliberately reducing winter performance on a winter-specific tire to force new sales is a safety risk, and tire companies aren't willing to face that sort of liability. They are EXTREMELY conservative about safety related items.

Tires don't have full depth siping because it makes the tire significantly more difficult to remove from the mold once it's finished curing, and once you've lost that much tread depth, the sipes don't provide as much benefit.

As much as you'd like to think that the tire manufacturers are trying to swindle you into buying a new set once the tires are half worn, they would never assume the responsibility of knowingly reducing the safety of the tire just to make another sale.
1. If you don't know that Blizzaks are not 100% soft compound designed for winter/ice, you've had your head in the sand. It has been this way for *years*. But hey, I'm sure you know better than Tire Rack.

2. Siping is done after the tire is removed from the mold. It's slices made into tread blocks. If it were done in the mold, removing the tire would be very difficult and the mold would not last long. (Have you ever made anything in a mold? I'm guessing not.)

3. Um... FIRESTONE? All new cars now have TPMS... because they did exactly that for the tires on the Ford Explorer.
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When I talked with people at TireRack who had tried both (on a GTI, admittedly), they didn't like the 4D's better than the M3's. Not only that, they preferred the Pirelli Sottozero 3's to both.



1. If you don't know that Blizzaks are not 100% soft compound designed for winter/ice, you've had your head in the sand. It has been this way for *years*. But hey, I'm sure you know better than Tire Rack.

2. Siping is done after the tire is removed from the mold. It's slices made into tread blocks. If it were done in the mold, removing the tire would be very difficult and the mold would not last long. (Have you ever made anything in a mold? I'm guessing not.)

3. Um... FIRESTONE? All new cars now have TPMS... because they did exactly that for the tires on the Ford Explorer.
I'm sure you know better than Tire Rack, too. "The underlying base compound is a standard winter tread compound." Straight from Tire Rack's website.

The sipes are built into the mold. Do you have any idea how time consuming it would be to add siping after the tire is cured? I'm guessing you've never seen a tire mold before.



The Firestone incident is exactly why tire companies are so concerned about safety these days.
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Winter tires are designed to be "winter capable" for their full service life, not just the upper half of the tread with the fancier compound. Deliberately reducing winter performance on a winter-specific tire to force new sales is a safety risk, and tire companies aren't willing to face that sort of liability. They are EXTREMELY conservative about safety related items.

Tires don't have full depth siping because it makes the tire significantly more difficult to remove from the mold once it's finished curing, and once you've lost that much tread depth, the sipes don't provide as much benefit.

As much as you'd like to think that the tire manufacturers are trying to swindle you into buying a new set once the tires are half worn, they would never assume the responsibility of knowingly reducing the safety of the tire just to make another sale.
I have news for you.
Winter tires have Tread Wear Indicators at two levels. Lower is legally required 2/32. Higher (the first one to be reached) is the snow wear bar. It is the way for manufacturers to indicate that winter tire reached the end of its snow service (ice may be different as it does not compress but hard to imagine winter tire for ice only).
If you have winter tires, please measure both and tell us what they are.

Per my knowledge they are 2/32 and 6/32 usually with 11 or 12/32 as starting depth.
That means winter tires are winter capable for first 50% of the starting tread depth. Afterwards they are good for replacement or to be wear out in warmer weather.

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I'm sure you know better than Tire Rack, too. "The underlying base compound is a standard winter tread compound." Straight from Tire Rack's website.
Link please then sir. Lets see some proof. Looked, did not find. No info on bridgestone site.

Ever own a set of blizzaks? Ive had 3 sets of 3 models. They decline significantly after the multicell is gone. If thats a winter compound under there, its the worst ever. Goodyear ultra grip ice is my new snow tire anyway, way happier with them than all the blizzaks. The wrx will be back on its set, and the new forester will be getting a set soon for this winter.
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As much as you'd like to think that the tire manufacturers are trying to swindle you into buying a new set once the tires are half worn, they would never assume the responsibility of knowingly reducing the safety of the tire just to make another sale.
I suppose I didn't make myself clear in that aspect. I don't think (nor would I like to think) that tire companies are trying to swindle customers to buy new tires when unneeded.

I do however believe that the useful 'snow/ice' life of a winter tire is not the full life of the tread.
Not done to swindle people, but just because of the physics of tires.
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I suppose I didn't make myself clear in that aspect. I don't think (nor would I like to think) that tire companies are trying to swindle customers to buy new tires when unneeded.



I do however believe that the useful 'snow/ice' life of a winter tire is not the full life of the tread.

Not done to swindle people, but just because of the physics of tires.

Yes, this is why they have the tread wear bars. I replace mine after two winters. After that they are not nearly as affective. On some cars I'll run that last season through the summer.


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The sipes are built into the mold. Do you have any idea how time consuming it would be to add siping after the tire is cured? I'm guessing you've never seen a tire mold before.

The Firestone incident is exactly why tire companies are so concerned about safety these days.
Bridgestone may claim the underlying compound is a winter compound, but it sure isn't a "normal" winter compound; it sucks. You're welcome to race me on ice once your tires get to that wear level. I'll give you a head start and it won't take long for you to realize that their claims are BS.

I guess you could call those large sipes. However, sipes are typically cut. Siping has been around for decades and takes very little time if you have a large-scale industrial way to do it. For the small-scale way to do it, see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtk4ijS4gOo So no, siping cured rubber is not prohibitive in the least.

The Firestone incident proves that tire companies might do things of questionable safety; it sure as hell doesn't disprove it.

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considering that stock summer tire on stock rims are 235 45 17 can i use my 225 55 17 winter tires on stock wrx rims ?

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