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Old 10-18-2007, 03:57 PM   #51
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Wasn't the all hailed Gran Turismo GT-R34 a porker as well?
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:58 PM   #52
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But isn't that what the GTR is? A corner carver, by virtue of its Ring times against a 911 turbo?
The 'Ring is not the tightest course in the world. There's lots of room to use big HP. I'm not saying the GT-R handles badly, I'm sure it's awesome and especially great on a course like the Ring.

I'm just saying I'd personally prefer a lightweight and more tossable Elise/Exige/Cayman.

EDIT: Think of it this way- a Mustang GT500 turns respectable lap times on most tracks because of decent handling and mega horsepower. But an Exige S can turn a respectable lap time with a bit more... class? finesse? Yeah- finesse. That's the word.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:59 PM   #53
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Wasn't the all hailed Gran Turismo GT-R34 a porker as well?
It sure was...only difference is...the R34 only had about 280hp and the older AWD system.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:59 PM   #54
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my biggest hang up with the whole thing is the fact they used a V6 versus an I6. i think if they had gone with an I6 it would have kept the car with a lot more of it\'s original mystique and would have made it a much more unique vehicle to own.

otherwise, i\'m a big fan, and hope someone gets me one for my b-day


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Old 10-18-2007, 04:01 PM   #55
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I'd still rather have the 911 turbo

Hell, a Cayman S is more my flavor- I don't have anywhere to use 400+ HP. I'd rather have a corner carver.
I do agree with you on the Cayman and the 911 Turbo being sexier but I don't think that you can call the Porsche a corner carver and say that this thing is not, especially if they're putting down the same times on the ring.

The turbo isn't a lightweight either at 3494.
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:05 PM   #56
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I do agree with you on the Cayman and the 911 Turbo being sexier but I don't think that you can call the Porsche a corner carver and say that this thing is not, especially if they’re putting down the same times on the ring.
Yeah, as I said in my post above (in the edit) I personally prefer a car that turns great times with finesse rather than big HP. In my day to day routine and weekend driving I have no place to exercise 450hp. I would rather a light, tossable sports car over a heavier GT. I'm not saying the GT-R doesn't handle well, it's just not my style. To each his own though.
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:06 PM   #57
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The 'Ring is not the tightest course in the world. There's lots of room to use big HP. I'm not saying the GT-R handles badly, I'm sure it's awesome and especially great on a course like the Ring.

I'm just saying I'd personally prefer a lightweight and more tossable Elise/Exige/Cayman.

EDIT: Think of it this way- a Mustang GT500 turns respectable lap times on most tracks because of decent handling and mega horsepower. But an Exige S can turn a respectable lap time with a bit more... class? finesse? Yeah- finesse. That's the word.
OK, I got you, but I would take out the Cayman. Elise/Exige maybe but not a Cayman.

It also beat the 911 on Laguna Seca. Not as much room as the Ring but even on a tighter course, the GTR's quickness will help.
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:09 PM   #58
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OK, I got you, but I would take out the Cayman. Elise/Exige maybe but not a Cayman.

It also beat the 911 on Laguna Seca. Not as much room as the Ring but even on a tighter course, the GTR's quickness will help.
true, insane grip + mucho power/tq works wonders anywhere.

if someone offered me the keys to a GT-R, i would not turn them down
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:17 PM   #59
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It'll get pwnt by a Z06. Just you watch.

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Old 10-18-2007, 04:18 PM   #60
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Well cars like the Elise/Exige/Cayman should be tossable, since they're considered to be sports cars. But the GT-R is a grand tourer, so it should really only exceed in straight line and comfort for long distant driving. Being fast on the track is a bonus though.

But you are right, GT cars are typically not as tossable as sport cars.
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:22 PM   #61
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This car may have the same fate as the NSX. Granted it's cheaper (in theory) and faster, but once you reach that price range, people want something more exotic (read: European). Will people pay this much for a Nissan with all the other options out there? idk, I may end up eating my words. But it took over a decade for the NSX to finally cave in.

Just an idea.
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:26 PM   #62
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This car may have the same fate as the NSX. Granted it's cheaper (in theory) and faster, but once you reach that price range, people want something more exotic (read: European). Will people pay this much for a Nissan with all the other options out there? idk, I may end up eating my words. But it took over a decade for the NSX to finally cave in.

Just an idea.
True, and I wonder if it would sell better in the USA with an Infiniti badge on it, as Honda did with the Acura NSX
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:30 PM   #63
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True, and I wonder if it would sell better in the USA with an Infiniti badge on it, as Honda did with the Acura NSX
the NSX never sold well
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:39 PM   #64
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Priced under $70K?

That is code for $69K. So, on the road here in SoCal that amounts to $76K and throw in a minimum $10K mark up at the dealers for the first 3 months and your looking at just under $90 out the door. Yeah, I'd pay $90K for a Nissan.
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:53 PM   #65
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This has already been discussed in MAIC and probably a few other places too.

So?

Its not like the rest of us go there.
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:02 PM   #66
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It'll get pwnt by a Z06. Just you watch.

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You know, it would be funny if those two cars turned into a similar WRX vs. "Insert similarly priced sports car" argument.

z06 owner: Ha! I just pwned your ass on this track.

GTR owner: Yeah, but let me know when it rains, mud, snow.


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Old 10-18-2007, 05:05 PM   #67
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You know, it would be funny if those two cars turned into a similar WRX vs. "Insert similarly priced sports car" argument.

z06 owner: Ha! I just pwned your ass on this track.

GTR owner: Yeah, but let me know when it rains, mud, snow, or if you want to race from a dig. I KILL YOU!


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Old 10-18-2007, 05:07 PM   #68
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:14 PM   #69
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:49 PM   #70
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Yeah...its only good for the 1/4 mile for sure. I mean running the "Ring" in 7 min 38 secs with all that "lard" .....bleh, I can usually get 6 min flat in GT4 in my modded Ford Lightning.
GT4 is not real life.

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The 'Ring is not the tightest course in the world. There's lots of room to use big HP. I'm not saying the GT-R handles badly, I'm sure it's awesome and especially great on a course like the Ring.

I'm just saying I'd personally prefer a lightweight and more tossable Elise/Exige/Cayman.

EDIT: Think of it this way- a Mustang GT500 turns respectable lap times on most tracks because of decent handling and mega horsepower. But an Exige S can turn a respectable lap time with a bit more... class? finesse? Yeah- finesse. That's the word.
Pretty much.
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Old 10-18-2007, 06:28 PM   #72
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i'm pretty sure that was the joke...
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:27 PM   #73
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you people whining for an Elise don't own one. don't wish for something that you'd actually regret -- as much as i dig logging a quick time at the autox i found that i did not much enjoy riding around in my old WRX: coilovers, poly bushings, big sways, noisy, harsh, rattles galore. i'm sure that driving an Elise on the street would grow tiresome similarly.

given the GT-R's streetable intent along with the awesome application of huge brakes, good looks, double wishbones all around, awd, displacement (!), forced induction, and active yaw control/electronics up the hooha, i think this one will be a winner.
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