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Old 08-22-2013, 11:05 PM   #7601
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That's my assumption, but how far to go first experimenting, Idk. The wide band blips lean then goes rich, so I'd assume that's the direction to go.
if you are seeing it actually go lean in tip-in on the wideband then you may need to richen it more. Tip in is pretty hard to see, so if you see it lean, odds are it needs to be a little richer and vice versa.
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Old 08-25-2013, 01:50 AM   #7602
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good read on last page, happens all the time actually, damn cocky internet posters

good response from mw
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Old 08-29-2013, 02:28 PM   #7603
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I'm back! For all the guys from yrs ago!
No more rotated 30R, 2000ccIDs, and built motor...:'(

Got to start all over, this time opensource and no LINK ecu. Makes it more fun...

Anyone have a base map for an 02 WRX, modded stock injectors to 740 or a 1000cc set with a 255 walboro for anywhere between 18-22psi
Tbe, uppipe, intake, e85 100% of course
Stock td04 :-(

Anything close really I can tweek out email [email protected] I can check it out in romraider

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Old 08-30-2013, 05:59 PM   #7604
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wow i didnt mean to kil the thread...

So who makes the most power on here safely with a stock turbo and e85? What setups for the average guy?

modded 440's to 720
walboro 255
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18psi

safe timing at max load and then tapers up how high these days? used to be 10-12 at max load tapering up to 18-19 for big turbos 20G and bigger.

I imagine on these small ones you could do 15-16 ramped up to 22-24 deg as load goes down in high rpms
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:07 PM   #7605
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wow i didnt mean to kil the thread...

So who makes the most power on here safely with a stock turbo and e85? What setups for the average guy?

modded 440's to 720
walboro 255
tbe
intake
18psi

safe timing at max load and then tapers up how high these days? used to be 10-12 at max load tapering up to 18-19 for big turbos 20G and bigger.

I imagine on these small ones you could do 15-16 ramped up to 22-24 deg as load goes down in high rpms
I'd have to log and recheck my timing but

06 wrx
Stock 565cc injectors
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Cobb intake
Turbo blanket + heatshield
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VD @ 280/320 on low reading setting.
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:35 PM   #7606
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I'd have to log and recheck my timing but

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Tbe
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I forget at what point the stock rails starve the far cylinder?
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:45 PM   #7607
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I forget at what point the stock rails starve the far cylinder?
I'd like to think mid 400s is when an aftermarket parallel setup would be nice.
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:56 PM   #7608
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I have stock rails and don't have a problem. 560/487 at the wheels.

What would the far cylinder be? #1 is at the very end where the regulator is.
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Old 08-31-2013, 03:08 AM   #7609
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I have stock rails and don't have a problem. 560/487 at the wheels.

What would the far cylinder be? #1 is at the very end where the regulator is.
It's #3 IIRC back where the turbo is.
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:53 AM   #7610
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It's #3 IIRC back where the turbo is.
Hmm. Gotcha. I need to get individual wide bands on this thing to know for sure I suppose. Lol.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:47 AM   #7611
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It's #3 IIRC back where the turbo is.
No. It's #1.
There is no starving. Our injectors are plumbed reverse of firing order. 4231.
Take whatever you think you knew about fuel systems and toss it out because it doesn't apply.

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Old 08-31-2013, 01:17 PM   #7612
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Did you mean *no starving? Or just like it is?

Thanks.
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Old 08-31-2013, 01:46 PM   #7613
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Did you mean *no starving? Or just like it is?

Thanks.
No starving.
Sorry. Hate using my phone for this.

If you reach a point that you successfully starve an injector it's a fuel pump shortcoming.
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Old 08-31-2013, 01:47 PM   #7614
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wow i didnt mean to kil the thread...

So who makes the most power on here safely with a stock turbo and e85? What setups for the average guy?

modded 440's to 720
walboro 255
tbe
intake
18psi

safe timing at max load and then tapers up how high these days? used to be 10-12 at max load tapering up to 18-19 for big turbos 20G and bigger.

I imagine on these small ones you could do 15-16 ramped up to 22-24 deg as load goes down in high rpms
This car has over 45k miles on it and has been making the power it ran 11.4 on for over 1yr already.. Still runs mint and will be back out in a few weeks to push that record a little lower.

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Old 08-31-2013, 02:05 PM   #7615
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No starving.
Sorry. Hate using my phone for this.

If you reach a point that you successfully starve an injector it's a fuel pump shortcoming.
I figured. No worries. Just making sure. Haha. I don't have any issues. I'd say you'd really only have to worry about it if you're running on the ragged edge of safety. At that point you can probably afford a new block every season if you need that last couple horsepower.

I run 11.6-11.8 (gasoline afr) on ethanol and 11-11.2 on pump gas.
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:24 PM   #7616
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No. It's #1.
There is no starving. Our injectors are plumbed reverse of firing order. 4231.
Take whatever you think you knew about fuel systems and toss it out because it doesn't apply.
Mind blown. It looks like I have a ton of more reading to do!
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Old 09-04-2013, 02:02 PM   #7617
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everything is a balance. Once you establish proper flow paths, the size and length of the tubes all depends on total power output and system configuration.

Comparing up pipe sizes is about balancing flow to match total output and desired spool characteristics.
Comparing header designs is about proper flow path.

In other words, they aren't the same argument.
Exactly true,

I am running 2" primary headers and a custom 2-1/2" up pipe, along with a FP HTA GT3586 turbo. This setup is also one of Maxwell Powers longblocks and I made 532whp and 433wtrq at 23psi on E85 and a PIA tune. I have a great flow path for the setup I have chose including a 3 to 3-1/2" exhuast. Just another example as stated everything has to be designed to YOUR needs and not the one only way. A smaller faster spooling turbo would equal a smaller primary and up-pipe combo to be efficiant in the boost response range vs big turbo, big power cars need flow.
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Old 09-13-2013, 04:08 PM   #7618
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Have any of you developed any fuel leaks at the injector area? I had a injector leaking, pulled it and found the bottom grommet seal to be much smaller than the new replacement, like the E is eating away at it. The leak was coming from the O-ring where the injector plugs into the rail, didn't see any damage or corrosion.

I went ahead and ordered a couple injector seal replacement kits, I will probably make this part of my annual maintenance.

Anyone else see anything like this?
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Old 09-13-2013, 04:25 PM   #7619
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What injector?
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Old 09-13-2013, 06:54 PM   #7620
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2 years+ on e. Never happened.
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:27 PM   #7621
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There probably are some o-rings and seals that are not compatible with ethanol.

I know I added an additional o-ring= 2@ o-rings to the top of the ID1k's (Bosch EV14's) I had and they fit perfectly and did not leak. My new ID1300's have an aluminum top hat adapter that fits over the injector body to accommodate different injector lengths and rail bores. I think this adapter fits the rails better and only requires 1@ o-ring.
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:10 AM   #7622
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What injector?
The pixie dust injector.
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:28 AM   #7623
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The pixie dust injector.
So IDs?
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:57 PM   #7624
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So IDs?
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:58 PM   #7625
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There probably are some o-rings and seals that are not compatible with ethanol.

I know I added an additional o-ring= 2@ o-rings to the top of the ID1k's (Bosch EV14's) I had and they fit perfectly and did not leak. My new ID1300's have an aluminum top hat adapter that fits over the injector body to accommodate different injector lengths and rail bores. I think this adapter fits the rails better and only requires 1@ o-ring.
Thats what I am thinking. Not a big deal to switch them out with new seals
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