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07-23-2013, 10:39 AM | #7501 |
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Nice! That where I had mine set at first on race gas, bit turned it down to 26.5-27. 95+% idc on my id1000s, lol.
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07-23-2013, 11:01 AM | #7502 | |
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On another note, I know you said you wanted to keep the power down on the stock sleeves with that 6266. FYI, I was talking a bunch with Paul Szuba yesterday about motors, reinforcements etc... He told me when they ran the 8.80/ 165 with their drag car it was on the stock case, stock crank, a 4294 and 47 psi of boost revving to 10k! eek!! They never broke that motor and made a bunch of passes on it. When they tore it down it was perfect. No signs of any stress or wear. It kind of proves what a well built, well tuned motor is capable of. I know it's not a dd but that is very impressive! |
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07-23-2013, 11:16 AM | #7503 |
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Are the 1300's are completely stainless inside? With the right nozzle, maybe they are methanol compatible.
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07-23-2013, 11:26 AM | #7504 |
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Stock sleeves seem to be hit or miss, and possibly the 704 castings are worse. There have been quite a few 704's fail in the 500-600WHP range. Some even much lower. Like 400WHP. But I think there are quite a few 703 and older doing 600WHP or more without issue.
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07-23-2013, 11:27 AM | #7505 | |
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http://www.injectordynamics.com/ID1300.html |
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07-23-2013, 11:55 AM | #7506 |
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If that is the case a much more reliable and tunable meth injection system I feel could be made.
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07-23-2013, 12:09 PM | #7507 |
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Those ID1300's seem nice. I assume they can probably do around 600WHP at stock base pressure? Maybe a little more on a higher reading dyno?
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07-23-2013, 12:11 PM | #7508 |
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I know there are plenty of documented case failures but what are the root causes? I would bet money on the tunes playing a big factor in them. So many potential build issues as well to contribute to the failures and it is easy to point to the case as the problem when the sleeve is cracked or a chunk of it is missing!
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07-23-2013, 12:15 PM | #7509 |
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I think there was one shop that cracked at least two of them right at 550WHP or something. And they had done similar setups on older casting numbers without issue. With things like this it will be very hard to prove anything without a huge dataset. It is obviously going to be a wide distribution. The new ones may very well be slightly weaker, or it could just be coincidence that there have been more failure recently.
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07-23-2013, 12:18 PM | #7510 | |
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My plan is to run it 500 whp daily and see how long it lasts. Hopefully its "all in the tune" |
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07-23-2013, 12:21 PM | #7511 | |
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07-23-2013, 12:28 PM | #7512 | |
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07-23-2013, 12:36 PM | #7513 |
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07-23-2013, 12:55 PM | #7514 |
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Cool. By the time my car is ready to run, some more time will have past with other setups and feedback. By then I may consider them over my id2000s if my tuner feels they are too big.
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07-23-2013, 12:59 PM | #7515 | |
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My opinion is that the tune has a lot to do with cracking sleeves. When you throw a crap load of timing at the engine down low and get a huge spike in torque it's hard on the stock sleeves. I suppose I just need to crank it up once I get some 1300s and see how far it goes. I wont be driving the car all the time on race gas or anything. Maybe a handful of drag races a year. And the car isn't driven very often. |
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07-23-2013, 01:55 PM | #7516 |
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My 07 trans is basically new. Has like 14k miles on if. I'd try and sell for like 3k and then buy the auto an send to ipt.
Would drop a huge amount off et. |
07-23-2013, 01:56 PM | #7517 | |
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Yep, it seems like you can keep that same timing strategy and turn up the boost some. Smooth, progressive and full vs spike and fall has to be better for the motor and the use of that power! Junior commented on the graph after the tune and liked how smooth, full and long the ramp was. He also said that he liked the way Dom's 2.5 long rod motors seemed to like to peak torque wise out around 6k. Of course it's his tune and he is so damn good at his trade! |
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07-23-2013, 02:23 PM | #7518 |
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knock.
Knock kills cases, plain and simple. When someone asks me for an engine and they say they want 500whp, the first thing I ask is "What type of fuel?" Because if they say pump gas, I recommend reinforced or sleeved blocks. IF they say e85 or race gas, I recommend sticking with stock cases. Pump gas is much harder on cases because it WILL knock. If you think you have a 100% knock free tune on pump gas, you're kidding yourself. It's a Subaru, at some point, it will knock. Maybe not when it was tuned, maybe not when you're logging, but it will. |
07-23-2013, 02:26 PM | #7519 |
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This is the E85 thread. No one cares about pump gas here! Haha.
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07-23-2013, 02:28 PM | #7520 |
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07-23-2013, 03:54 PM | #7521 | |
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Do any of you guys that don't have a bunch of e85 pumps near you have a good way to store it in bulk and just pump it in the car in the garage? Im thinking about a 50 gallon setup or so. How long does the stuff stay good like that? Do you guys run any type of lube in the fuel? |
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07-23-2013, 04:20 PM | #7522 |
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07-23-2013, 04:34 PM | #7523 | |
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As far as I know, nobody on here runs any type of additive in their Ethanol, and as we have said on here before, while there isn't necessarily anything illegal about storing E85 in large quantities in your garage, I am sure your local Fire Department, Home Owner's Insurance, etc. will probably have an issue with it. Whether or not you tell them about it or are willing to risk storing it is completely up to you. As for your comment about the flex fuel sensor, MOST the guys that add them are only adding them so they can monitor the ethanol content accurately and easily. Even without a flex fuel sensor, it is only a couple things that need to be changed to switch back and forth...and that is really only the first time you fill up with the fuel. Once you have a map created for that fuel, you never have to change it again. On the rare occasion that I have to switch, it only takes me like 30 seconds to 1 min longer to fill up versus when I am not switching fuels. |
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07-23-2013, 04:41 PM | #7524 |
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It is just a convenience thing, but sometimes it takes a while for the E70 (using E70 as the bad gas)to cycle through the system.
Personally I try to take my computer most times when I am driving my car, but in the event I forget ... its nice to know if I get a crap station of E85 and the blend drops to E75, boost target/fueling/WGDC/timing is all dropping accordingly. The one thing I want to do is get some 100% ethanol and contain that in the sensor and see what it reads. I'm suspicious about the reading I get because I've never seen over 81%E and I know that a few of the stations I've went to have 92%+ E from other members on NASIOC. |
07-23-2013, 04:54 PM | #7525 | |
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