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Old 08-06-2003, 12:35 PM   #51
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I'm not sure how much the Auxiliary Input Cable costs but this sounds like the missing piece of the puzzle. The input capability is already built-into the LM-1 (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/s...m#_Toc46234170), but I guess you might want the special cable to interface to the Mini-DIN 7 plug. I'm sure you could come up with your own interface by visiting a Radio Shack. You'd just need to grab an rpm signal voltage from somewhere in the car. It simply records the voltage and then you would need to convert that to an RPM in MS Excel. You could also log several other things at the same time. Intake air temp, boost pressure, fuel pressure, oil pressure, etc. (up to 5 total) and chart them at the same time note: The input voltages must be less than 5 volts to keep from damaging the controller.

On another note, I tried to order an LM-1 and the website said that they were backordered. I also inquired to Patrick about group purchase pricing and volumes, but I haven't recieved the info yet. Here's the note I received from Patrick:
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Thanks for your interest. We’re currently sold out, but production is ramping up. We’ll get back to you by the end of the week regarding both questions.

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Patrick Thompson

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I hope to try the LM-1 out pretty soon and see if it can really do everything it says it can. If so, it is much more powerful than the alternatives that I have seen.

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Old 08-06-2003, 12:56 PM   #52
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The input capability is already built-into the LM-1 (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/...tm#_Toc46234170), but I guess you might want the special cable to interface to the Mini-DIN 7 plug. I'm sure you could come up with your own interface by visiting a Radio Shack. You'd just need to grab an rpm signal voltage from somewhere in the car. It simply records the voltage and then you would need to convert that to an RPM in MS Excel.
BTW. An 8 pin cable will work also in the 7 pin Plug of the LM-1. Get a Macintosh serial cable with all 8 pins connected and cut off one end. If you have an analog RPM signal already in your car, you do not have to convert it using Excel. The LM-1 software can do that for you. For the input used, just specify the unit (rpm) and which rpm is equivalent to 0V and which is equivalent to 5V. The produced Excel-log and graph will show the log already converted into the specified unit. We are working also on a future software release (no release date yet) that will allow you to link to sensor output curve files (excel files), so that the log download will do the linearization for you for non-linear sensor signals.
The upcoming aux-in cable with RPM allows to hook it up with an inductive pickup (included) or you can directly hook it up to a crank synchronous or cam synchronous pulsed signal (1 pulse/rotation). That signal can be anywhere from 300mV to ignition primary (not tested yet, but will be before release).
The aux-in cable has a built-in switch with which you define whether the rpm pulses are 1 pulse/crank rot. or 1 pulse/2 crank rot.
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Old 08-06-2003, 01:40 PM   #53
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This was the responce I just received concerning my pre paid order...

"Hi Joel-

We’re hoping to ship your order by the end of this week, but we’re committing to ship by the 15th of August. Thanks, and happy tuning!

Patrick Thompson

Innovate! Technology, Inc. / Innovate Motor Sports"

I'm excited....
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:29 PM   #54
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This was the responce I just received concerning my pre paid order...
Hi Joel-

Just a quick clarification: We bill credit cards only when units ship, so "pre-paid" isn't entirely accurate. Thanks again for your support!

-Patrick from Innovate
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Old 08-06-2003, 05:06 PM   #55
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Hi Joel-

Just a quick clarification: We bill credit cards only when units ship, so "pre-paid" isn't entirely accurate. Thanks again for your support!

-Patrick from Innovate
Woops ....
I guess I didn't choose the correct wording...
I simply meant, I have eagerly sent my payment in, and can't wait to get the WB Unit and start using it....
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Old 08-10-2003, 03:07 AM   #56
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Does this have an analog output to log in another data aquisition tool? i.e. will it send out a 0-5v signal indicating AFR in a linear fashion, along with calibration points?
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Old 08-10-2003, 05:36 AM   #57
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2 Definable analog outputs
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Does this have an analog output to log in another data aquisition tool? i.e. will it send out a 0-5v signal indicating AFR in a linear fashion, along with calibration points?
Reading is good, m'kay.
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Old 08-10-2003, 11:55 AM   #58
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Good parrot (I can quote advertising too). I read that plus the entire site,
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Q: Will it be possible to setup the analog output for a linear 0 to 1 volt = 10:1 to 30:1 air fuel? And what is the accuracy of the output?

A: The outputs are 10 bit A/D's with 0-5V output. The software in the LM-1 maps Lambda Values of 0.5 to 1.523 (7.35 to 22.4 AFR) into a 10 bit value (0..1023). The programming of the analog outputs then maps the programmed values to the appropriate output voltages. An output of 0 - 1V has about a 200 step resolution as this is 1/5 of the 0-5V output with 1023 step resolution.The mapping is capable of 7.35 to 22.4 AFR. A range of 10-30 AFR would require significant changes in the software of the LM-1.
but do not see any one confirming it exists on a released unit.

So you have bought one and this advertised function actually is there and works? If you have one then be helpful and confirm that the function is there and accurate. (I am sorry it is bad enough when members do it, but it really bugs me when moderators are snide to someone who is on the board for information and are not causing problems or flame wars.)

I can not think of a single electronic device hawked on these boards (other than simple analog gauges) that actually have all their advertised functions. That post was written prior to release and producers love to advertise they have everything both before and after release.

So it remains a valid question and the referred to advertising post does not answer the question.

It was 3:00 so I may not have properly qualified the question - so if either innovate_patrick (assuming they are from the company) or someone that has a production unit would confirm its functioning.

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Old 08-10-2003, 03:08 PM   #59
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Actually, I just had a long conversion with Klaus on the second page of this post about the outputs for a secondary screen. He appears to be the developer, so I didn't think there'd be reason to question whether or not the function was actually there.
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Old 08-10-2003, 04:18 PM   #60
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Sounds like a good deal then when it is confirmed as loggable in DD using their external inputs ability the way that it can log Motec.
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Old 08-10-2003, 10:08 PM   #61
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Sounds like a good deal then when it is confirmed as loggable in DD using their external inputs ability the way that it can log Motec.
I'm confident that the LM-1 can mimic the Motec's voltage output for air/fuel ratio (AF), as long as it can be described as AF = a + b*voltage and as long as you don't require an AF less than 7.35 or greater than 22.40.
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Old 08-10-2003, 11:12 PM   #62
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I agree with your input now that it most likely can and will - I guess I have just been burnt by too many claims and it causes me to pause and question - like the ability to log knock events by DD.

Thank you all for the feedback on this - it has convinced me enough to buy the LabJack in preparation for purchasing this AFR tool to use with DD logging - and hopefully eventually Xede logging so I can stop macro converting my DD logs.
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Old 08-11-2003, 05:32 PM   #63
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Hi Jehcpa,

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so if either innovate_patrick (assuming they are from the company) or someone that has a production unit would confirm its functioning.
I have right now about 50 production units in front of me and I can confirm the analog output functions are working.
Quite a few of our customers are using it. One customer has installed the sensor on an experimental race engine (at a university) directly at the exhaust header of one cylinder and they can see (on an oscilloscope) charge loss due to valve overlap because the analog outs are so fast. They therefore sample the analog outs synchronous with the exhaust stroke. New upcoming software and firmware will allow you to program analog out response speed (for each output separately) and default output during warmup or error conditions. You can also specify if during these conditions the outputs should go high impedance instead of outputting a voltage.
Software and firmware upgrades can be downloaded from our web-site for free.

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Old 08-11-2003, 07:12 PM   #64
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Excellent thank you for the response.
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Old 08-11-2003, 09:37 PM   #65
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Man this tool is going to be the iceing on the cake for my turbo'd Z with the Electramotive TEC2.

along with this device, doing the auto tune and have it dead on will be a breeze... [

Getting excited....

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Old 08-13-2003, 08:28 AM   #66
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I have the Techedge 1.5 and compared it to an expensive motronic unit on a dyno. Well within 0.01 AFR all the way through the scale. Has RPM and 2 ADC inputs. I haven't found a way to hook it up to the Tec2 but the version 2.0 is supposed to work...

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Old 08-13-2003, 08:33 AM   #67
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I do have a question for us cannucks. Will the unit operate at low temps? I know wide temp rangs LCD displays are difficult to source. Would suck if it doesn't work in -20C weather.

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Old 08-13-2003, 10:38 AM   #68
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I have the Techedge 1.5 and compared it to an expensive motronic unit on a dyno. Well within 0.01 AFR all the way through the scale. Has RPM and 2 ADC inputs. I haven't found a way to hook it up to the Tec2 but the version 2.0 is supposed to work...

-Michael
You need to e-mail Jason C. He talks about a simple circuit that will allow you to use the Techedge with the TEC.

http://www.miataforum.com/ubb/ultima...=020292#000011

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Old 08-14-2003, 10:47 AM   #69
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Is a GP getting set up. I am interested in purchasing one.

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Old 08-14-2003, 10:49 AM   #70
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I could go with a GB as well.
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Old 08-14-2003, 11:04 AM   #71
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I have a GB going for us MR2 owners (but others are welcome). Here's the direct link to the thread: http://board.mr2faq.com/showthread.p...hreadid=160174 , but you have to register at http://board.mr2faq.com to read it.

Essentially, the price structure is like this:
5+ Units
$334.00 (Savings of $15.00)
Free UPS Ground Shipping Included (Savings of $10.00)
Total Savings of $25.00!

10+ Units
$324.00 (Savings of $25.00)
Free UPS Ground Shipping Included (Savings of $10.00)
Total Savings of $35.00!

I am currently planning on closing the GB on August 30th unless there is a good reason to extend it. Innovate will need the following information:
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-Credit Card Number & Expiration Date
-Billing Address for the credit card you are using
-Shipping Address
-Phone number you can be reached at

Innovate will not ship a single unit until all of the payments are received. I will be responsible for giving them the list of buyers and then you are will make the payment to Cort ([email protected] and (949) 388-4442 ext. 122). He's the Director of Sales for Innovate. If you want me to add you to my GB list, send me an email. We currently have 5 potential buyers on the MR2 board.

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Old 08-15-2003, 01:53 PM   #72
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Sent you an email. Basically I want in on the GB.

Thanks,
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Old 08-15-2003, 03:07 PM   #73
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Does anyone have any specifics about the to be released LM1-x?

Specifically what the EXACT differences will be (teh website is a bit vague) and what the display unit will look like?

Thanks,

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Old 08-16-2003, 09:48 AM   #74
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Does anyone have any specifics about the to be released LM1-x?

Specifically what the EXACT differences will be (teh website is a bit vague) and what the display unit will look like?

Thanks,

Nathan
I believe the LM-1x is supposed to be better suited to permanent installation in a vehicle (different grounding scheme, etc.) as opposed to the portability of the LM-1.

There is an illustration of the proposed display unit in the online manual at http://www.innovatemotorsports.com

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Old 08-17-2003, 08:42 AM   #75
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Klaus,

Nice product!

Is it possible to setup one analog output to show a signal that a 1V O2 sensor would produce?

I ask this because I want to replace the standard 1V sensor and have the possibility to "feed" the cars ECU, so the lambda control is still working.

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