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11-30-2012, 09:53 AM | #1351 | |
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About a month ago, FHI flew a bunch of North American car journalists to FHI's test facility in Japan for test drives of the North American version of the new Forester. The resulting "first drive impressions" articles all appeared almost simultaneously earlier this month and there is a post at http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=952 which contains links to most of them.
By all accounts, it was a one-day whirlwind event. A dramatic unveiling of two show cars, followed by presentations by executives, project managers and engineers. Then it was outside to the track where the journos took turns driving laps on a high-speed oval and riding as passengers while expert drivers negotiated an off-road course. I wouldn't have thought there was enough opportunity to futz around with the navigation system to be able to form an opinion about it, but the writer for Automobile magazine apparently managed to do so, according to http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...ter_prototype/. Quote:
There is a thread in the BRZ forum about its NAV at http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2431426 and it appears most posters there would agree with Automobile magazine's assessment. Unfortunately for those Forester buyers who want the Driver Assist Technology package (EyeSight, Keyless Access and Start, and HID headlights), the Touring trim level is a prerequisite and it contains NAV as standard equipment.
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11-30-2012, 11:17 AM | #1352 |
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It was always an issue that we knew about. This is most likely due to the magazines showing poor performance results on the MY11 STI and WRX vs MY10. The magazines use 91 oct in CA, when the numbers produced at peak efficiency, 93 are faster.
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11-30-2012, 12:04 PM | #1354 | |
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I'm sad to see this unit carried through to the new Forester. At least the back-up camera feature is decent. I've seen it on my buddy's (furtive) BRZ Premium. Forester owners would be wise to enable that feature if it doesn't already come as an option. |
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11-30-2012, 01:25 PM | #1355 |
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I'm going to wait until actual dealer information is available to fully determine tow ratings, power, fuel requirements or recommended, options, etc. I've seen too many errors and discrepancies in the past from manufacturer's press releases for these auto shows.
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11-30-2012, 02:12 PM | #1356 | |
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The new Forester should arrive down there starting next February and I expect specification details to be announced just after New Year's. Should be interesting. http://subaru.com.au/forester/xt Last edited by Cocoa Beach Bum; 11-30-2012 at 02:46 PM. |
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11-30-2012, 02:26 PM | #1357 |
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Being that the SH never actually had a refresh in the 5 MY's of production, this is more of an evolution of the SH. It gained .9 inches of wheelbase, .7 and .9 inches of track, with 1.4 inches of overall length. The SG to SH gained what, 4-5 inches of wheelbase?
With that said, where did the towing capacity go? Shouldn't it be rated higher with the added weight and stability associated with designing more weight into the platform? Maybe the added weight is what lowered the rating? Bummer if so. I was its biggest fan, too. Last edited by 4S-TURBO; 11-30-2012 at 02:47 PM. |
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Sooo... I think I'm getting confused. Are we saying that the USDM Forester's tow rating is substantially less than AUS, EDM and JDM models? Or are the models themselves getting "worse" across the board with each successive change?
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11-30-2012, 02:52 PM | #1359 |
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We don't know and I personally do not care about what it's rated elsewhere. I want SOA to tell me what the car, as equipped, is capable here. It's a liability to strap a big hunk of something to the rear of your car. If it exceeds the manufacturer's rating, you are SOL in an event of something bad happening (like hubs failing, brakes failing, trans failing, engine failing, tires failing, deformation of frame), or an accident.
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11-30-2012, 02:56 PM | #1360 |
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From what I've seen the USDM Subaru models have ALWAYS been rated with a lower tow rating than all of Subaru's other markets...
Methinks it's the US litigious society that leads to that... We all know that the unibody and mounting points on the cars are identical... |
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I think SOA is telling us that all of those failures that are possible are possible because they do not have faith they will hold up to any more than 1500 lbs and the weight of the vehicle itself. Pretty crappy, IMO. Current Outback is almost twice that rating with CVT and N/A 2.5 motor...same litigious society. Weird.
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11-30-2012, 03:01 PM | #1362 | |
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11-30-2012, 03:11 PM | #1363 |
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Dunno, but why is the BM and SH platform rated so high and this so little?
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11-30-2012, 03:20 PM | #1364 |
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I wish it was a misprint..... ....Or maybe they meant 1500 kg....
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11-30-2012, 03:41 PM | #1365 |
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What replaced the 4 spd auto in the FXT?
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11-30-2012, 03:41 PM | #1366 |
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subyski^^^ THIS is what I was hoping to find out with my incessant and annoying blabbering.
The tow rating is the only reason holding be back from buying a new XT. If SOA is not confident enough, neither am I. CVT replaced 4EAT. |
11-30-2012, 04:13 PM | #1367 |
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Ford Escape with turbo has 1500 standard tow rating and 3500 max tow rating. Riding on 19's no less. Here's to hoping...
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11-30-2012, 05:08 PM | #1368 | |
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On current models, the POS nav is a separate option from the Touring trim. You can have HIDs all day long without nav. WTF do I need to press a button every time I start my car to agree to a damn EULA and be forced to pay for $hit I will NEVER use. ARGH. |
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11-30-2012, 05:16 PM | #1369 | ||
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11-30-2012, 05:22 PM | #1370 | |
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It has got to do something with EyeSight. Probably the computer that runs them. I would think if you had it, you would use it. The bluetooth that comes with it is superior right now in the fact that it is the only one that downloads your phonebook. If you really don't want to use the NAV, then you wouldn't ever have to agree to the EULA. Leave it in the audio screen. |
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11-30-2012, 05:33 PM | #1371 | |
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Seriously, it's just like setting the climate control temperatures each time you get into the car if you didn't do it the last time you were in it. One simple click or rotation of a control handle and you have your sight-blinding HID's on or your navigation started up. |
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11-30-2012, 05:36 PM | #1372 |
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I meant it more of a generalization. Not saying what Subaru printed is wrong but there still needs some clarifications. For example for the XT, the pdf provided earlier in the thread by Subaru states the fuel requirement is "91 min" where as Subaru's website for the 2014 Forester, under Specs, states fuel requirement is "91 premium recommended". This, to me, has a different meaning. It's more of the nit picky stuff that needs to be cleaned up by the time it goes on sale. Unfortunately, I don't think the tow rating stated is incorrect.
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11-30-2012, 05:40 PM | #1373 | |
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11-30-2012, 06:41 PM | #1374 | |
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Yep, and they fixed that very quick; but, he was talking about Autoshow press releases. |
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11-30-2012, 09:07 PM | #1375 | |
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Bottom line, IMO, we don't have to worry about power/torque production on 91 AKI gas from a relatively high compression direct injected engine that has a decently sized turbo located very close to the exhaust ports. My guess is that we'll all be pleasantly surprised (even with 91 AKI gas in the tank). Peak power numbers don't tell the actual story. |
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