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01-05-2014, 04:00 PM | #1 | |
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Federally mandated backup camera legislation heating up again [w/poll]
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01-05-2014, 04:21 PM | #2 |
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If it helps, why not? Doesn't look like automotive styling incorporating smallish windows and tall rear decks is going away any time soon. The manufacturers will be more than willing to pass the costs on to the consumer because safety features sell. Look at airbags, ESC/traction control, and TPMS. However, all the cameras and sensors in the world don't mean squat if the driver doesn't pay full attention in the first place. Or will there be an app for that?
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01-05-2014, 04:57 PM | #3 |
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OEM suppliers should have already integrated the screen and camera function into ALL headunits by now. They've had since 2008? The tech is so cheap and accessible. Manufacturers just need to design a readymade camera location in the rear of their platforms and run additional wires in the looms.
There was such a OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO LOSE BUYERS push in that same time period to offer MP3 and iPod capability in their vehicles, why not the rear camera? Especially knowing a law would eventually mandate it? Here we are, 6 years later, and this has been spun into the BAD GOVERNMENT FORCING THIS ON US crap polarizing issue. Do we need more polarization in this completely insane culture? I guess we do. |
01-05-2014, 05:57 PM | #4 |
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It cost all of about $20 and the labor of a few Asian minors to make this. May be per 10,000 units for a camera and screen we're talking what maybe 100 bucks more per vehicle when all is said and done.
However manufacturers charges thousands for this upgrade as part of a package. Think of all the margin they are losing by not implementing this now... Profits before morality. |
01-05-2014, 05:59 PM | #5 | ||
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To give him some credit, the OEM cameras they put on some of the cars out there are terrible and utterly WalMart cheap as hell. Subaru Forester camera is no different. Seriously, where the hell are the trajectory lines and the better camera resolution? Subaru has enough money for that. I know I saw somewhere recently a low priced car, probably a Kia Soul has a backup camera with trajectory lines. It's a Kia and it has a better backup camera than Subaru, lol. |
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01-05-2014, 08:17 PM | #6 |
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01-05-2014, 08:22 PM | #7 |
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What ever happened to teaching your kids not to play near your car or any moving vehicles?
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01-05-2014, 09:17 PM | #8 |
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Well, if it's for the children.........
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01-05-2014, 09:41 PM | #9 |
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Ban all high-capacity reverse gears. It's for the children.
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01-05-2014, 09:43 PM | #10 |
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01-05-2014, 10:40 PM | #11 |
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I love the backup cameras in my vehicles. Handy little feature for backing into a tight garage or getting as close as possible to the curb. As far as being mandatory, I really don't have much of an opinion on it. I was backed into by an Escape Titanium over the summer and I'm fairly certain that the backup camera is standard on those. The rear sonar might be more functional... but people would probably turn it off.
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01-05-2014, 11:49 PM | #12 |
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Put me in this category for everything. I'm sick to ****ing death of people wanting mandated help with everything.
I'll help if I want to and won't if I don't. Sorry I've just been lucky enough to be someone who doesn't seem to need a lot of help for ANYTHING, but that's just it: my luck. Sucks if you're not the same but that's not my problem. As for these cameras, yeah. I don't need it, and if you're a good driver, you shouldn't either... "If it helps, why not?" Are you serious? Because of the statistics outlined whereby a person is "worth" 6.1 mill and for every live saved it costs an effective 16 mill. I'd argue the value of a human is far less if you do a world wide average (think of all the people in china making mere dollars a day, as many of your current residents should). Why mandate something over what even a grotesquely generous statistic says is unfeasible? Because statistics don't matter, costs don't matter; all that matters is every single human life is saved and lives to 150, regardless of what is realistic right? |
01-06-2014, 12:46 AM | #13 |
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Hey, it would have helped me - because some numbnut backed into my car in a parking lot and then took off. I'm used to not having or needing such devices. It's those who "park/drive by feel" that brought up the whole perceived need for this proposed legislation. It only doesn't make sense until crap happens to you even though it may not be your fault. Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of this idea - it's just the number of people out there who don't have the necessary attention span and the spatial awareness of their vehicle's size from behind the wheel seems to be increasing, so they need all the help they can get. Too bad everyone else has to pay for it whether it becomes mandatory or not. I'm no fan of SRS either - don't wear a seatbelt - feel free to die for all I care.
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01-06-2014, 01:25 AM | #14 |
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This could go both ways. It will make it so it's not a $1,500 option when the actual cost of the components are $100. The problem is car manufactures screw things up and they'll likely make it pixalated and 2" wide with no other functionality.
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01-06-2014, 08:51 AM | #15 |
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The problem with this is it doesn't make sense for a small car especially in the lower price brackets. The cost is more easily absorbed in SUV's and higher priced cars where there will be a small LCD screen already installed, so a backup camera is truly a $100 addition to each car. If they made it a mandate, it should only apply to vehicles above say $25,000 or so.
Also we can't say for sure that it'll save 100 lives per year. The problem is people will become reliant on this technology for backing up, that they won't watch cross traffic or turn their head around. It may actually cause more accidents. |
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It's also important to note that the only time I used the camera I ended up blocking the back passenger door from opening because it was 6" away from a support pillar on the side of the house and my mom made me redo it |
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01-06-2014, 10:07 AM | #17 | |
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01-06-2014, 10:47 AM | #18 | |
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Those cheap chinese camera's you see on ebay and amazon are total junk and malfunction at a very high rate. Anything reliable is going to cost about $100 with the plastic pieces to integrate the design. |
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01-06-2014, 11:04 AM | #19 |
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I am against letting the car do the thinking for you. I hate this mandate like I hate lane warning departure signals, blind spot warning signals, auto braking, auto steering, park for you systems.
THe more the car thinks, the less the driver does. |
01-06-2014, 11:12 AM | #20 | |
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I think there are situations where the cameras definitely help. That being said, I've gotten by just fine without them. I would have liked to see the car companies make them standard on their own without government regulation, because now EVERY car must have them; even if a car such as the Ariel Atom were to be sold here. |
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01-06-2014, 11:16 AM | #21 |
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01-06-2014, 11:24 AM | #22 | |
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But on the flip side, I agree with you. Auto makers are only making the consumer lazier with new technology. The reason we have so many accidents now, is because people are losing their need to actually drive. They expect the car to drive for them. I say this to from experience. We had a BMW 335i for a while and when we traded it for the Subaru, My girlfriend suddenly became a terrible driver! |
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01-06-2014, 11:33 AM | #23 |
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Plus you've added weight to the car. That's a negative impact on fuel economy, which is a huge deal these days. It seems asinine, but running from a rear camera to a front ECU/screen is probably 8-9 meters worth of harness once you weave down and around all the different body panels to keep them hidden. Because it's a safety feature the camera wires will need redundancy, so double the number and weight. And for that distance of run you'll need a larger gauge to account for the increased resistance, so increase the weight again. You probably add 30lbs to the car by adding a camera system. Manufacturer requirements are quite ridiculous at times, but they exist based on past experience and events which drive the necessity for a requirement. Changing the rubber material and stiffness on an engine mount should be simple and cheap. It's the same material cost and goes into the same mold to make the same shape part. But because you've changed the material and stiffness you have to rerun all of the major durability tests to validate that there are no concerns for products breaking on a customer's car. And that takes months and could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars when you account for the engineering personnel running and evaluating the tests and the cost of operating the equipment. GM wants my employer to add cyber security features to our ECU so it can't be hacked and no one can take over control of your AWD system while you're driving down the road. I think we quoted them $2m just to make a software update. The detail in the requirements, the number of personnel dedicated to the update, and the amount of testing and validation involved is pretty crazy. And as the calibrator I think the end result will make it harder for me to do my job as I'll have to have a new tool to plug in and unlock an ECU before I can plug in with a different tool just to calibrate. I hate government mandated safety features. I figure if you can't drive you shouldn't. Driving is a privilege and people should be held accountable for their vehicle and their ability to operate it. The government is making it easier for people to be less aware and more dangerous while driving. It might keep the rest of us safe from them, but it only breeds a society which excuses itself from responsibility because the electrical overlords keeps them safer. |
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01-06-2014, 12:11 PM | #25 |
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It doesn't necessarily help. My wife got a back up camera in her Lexus in 2008 and I think she has completely forgotten how to use mirrors. Both corners of the bumper are scarred up from her hitting things because she relies solely on her camera.
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