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12-31-2012, 07:35 AM | #26 | |
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http://www.lincoln.com/cars/mkz/spec...ions/view-all/ Basically, magazines would have to add a paragraph explaining that the performance figures are meaningless because the car has been modified.
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12-31-2012, 10:01 AM | #27 |
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Lincoln should of course publish the OE tire specs somewhere...that being said... With all the automakers that allegedly send "ringers" into the test fleet (the first WRXs cracking off 97 MPH trap speeds, for example), I just don't find tires to be that big of a deal. It's not a hidden performance adder. It's written on the car, in plain view. I understand the issues everyone has...but I don't know...something about this isn't such a big deal to me. ***Again, I see very little difference between this, and cars that have a "factory option" of PSCs, or other high(er) performance tires. Come on, in reality, what is the difference between a factory-stamped "dealer-installed option", and dealer-installed aftermarket tires? That one is a check box on a form with a Ford logo, and the other is made on a form with the Dealer logo? So long as the public is informed, I see no issue. |
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Meh...maybe I have to change my stance.
My previous argument in favor of testing the WRX on all-seasons rather than tossing on summers was "where does it end". I guess I have to apply the same here. Death to Lincoln! Last edited by REX8; 12-31-2012 at 10:15 AM. |
12-31-2012, 10:30 AM | #29 |
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Like I said, if they quote the results against the 911 and say 'when equipped with XXX tires' I have no issues.
But not disclosing that, then they are selling a lie |
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Good Lord, Edmunds ripped Lincoln a new ash ole with their review!
"There are four things on the 2013 Lincoln MKZ that are undeniably best in class - four things that will blindside Lincoln's rivals, and shock and awe its customers. Those four things are its tires. The rest of the new MKZ is wanting, disappointing and generally undesirable." "...make no mistake, every other manufacturer that makes an entry-luxury sedan - from Acura to Volvo - is selling a superior product." Guess they really don't like automakers trying to pull the wool over their eyes! |
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Exactly. And they tried to do it in a slick way, with Edmunds or whichever company reporting the figures, so it doesn't fall on Lincoln, except they got caught sending a ringer with such obvious changes.
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12-31-2012, 04:41 PM | #34 | |
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I'm sure that if you look at a lot of tests done on cars with factory upgrades, they get the specs AND the price of those upgrades supplied from the manufacturer so they can cite that information in their review. Certainly the price isn't something that the tester is supposed to figure out on their own too. That's supposed to come from the manufacturer as well. |
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12-31-2012, 05:21 PM | #35 | |
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*ahem* Rex, the phrase "pull the wool over their eyes" is synonymous which deception. Yes, the reviewer can walk up to a car and clearly see the tires. But if an automaker sends a publication a car for review with equipment that's not representative of the consumer product, one can deduce deception. Hence "trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the reviewers and the public". Has nothing to do with how well the reviewer can see the brand/model on the tire, really. |
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P.S. If you're a car tester, and you aren't looking at the tires on the car, well, you've got a bigger problem. Last edited by REX8; 12-31-2012 at 05:46 PM. |
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*ahem* I'm well aware of the phrase. The bolded part is not what you said, so don't put it in quotes. You said "pull the wool over their eyes". In the context of your post, that appeared to mean the testers' eyes. Nothing was pulled over their eyes, they are the one's who have the clear view of the tires. If by "their" you meant the public, fine. But again, in context, you were writing about how Edmonds was mad at Lincoln for 'having the wool pulled over their eyes". My point was, IMHO, I just don't see how something in plain view, not lied about, is "deceptive" to the reviewer. To the public if not noted? Sure. Of course I agree. Last edited by REX8; 12-31-2012 at 05:45 PM. |
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It was an analogy. But with cars, tires are among the last things I judge when looking at a car, unless you think a car is awesome because it has Michelin Pilots then later adjust your opinion when you realize that they're installed on a Pinto.
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12-31-2012, 06:52 PM | #40 | |
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Instead they installed the tires, and it took a phone call to the manufacturer to find out that they are not even available as an option. Lincoln went out of their way to alter the press cars, and instead of mentioning the modifications, they forced reviewers to investigate on their own. The lack of disclosure is what tells me they were trying to pull a fast one. |
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Exactly, You're reviewing a luxury car, performance tires are only a concern when they drown out the cabin on the highway. |
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