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01-02-2008, 01:35 PM | #1 | |
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Look Out Hybrids! BMW To Bring Diesel Line Up To US in Late 2008!
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01-02-2008, 01:35 PM | #2 |
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this makes me happy
PS- a 1 series version would make me happier. Last edited by Sideshowbob; 01-02-2008 at 01:44 PM. |
01-02-2008, 01:36 PM | #3 | |
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335d Wagon plz!!!!!!!!!
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01-02-2008, 02:16 PM | #5 |
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finally...
get that hybrid **** out of here |
01-02-2008, 02:51 PM | #6 | |
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why are you anti-hybrid? regenerative braking is a good idea regardless of your political affiliation or even choice of fuel: if diesels clean up their emissions as with the urea-injection systems then diesel-electric hybrids would get even better mileage than the gas-electric ones currently out when comparing apples to apples (same body style, drivetrain layout, weight, Cd and frontal area, etc.)
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01-02-2008, 02:56 PM | #7 |
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Put this in a 5-series wagon with awd and I'm all over it. The mileage numbers are a little underwhelming though. The 07 X5 with 3.0 gets 17 mpg city / 23 mpg highway so the diesel is only 2 mpg higher.
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01-02-2008, 03:46 PM | #8 |
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2.0 liter please...
Sadly BMWNA won't give us the 2.0 liter diesel that the European auto press raves about. My wants are simple, 80mph cruising speed while sipping fuel.
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01-02-2008, 03:48 PM | #9 |
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01-02-2008, 08:11 PM | #11 |
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MB is working on a diesel hybrid; I think they will be slow to catch on though due to high cost.
BMW probably figures nobody is going to pay extra for a small diesel just to save $$ on gas over many years. Economy-minded drivers don't buy BMWs in the first place. This engine seems like more of an alternative to the 4.4 V8; should be a great motor for towing. |
01-03-2008, 06:25 PM | #12 | |
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On a side note, Roundel (BMWCCA's publication) had an excellent 5 series diesel test a couple of issues ago. The compared it favorably to an M5, of course they would never bring it across the pond... |
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01-02-2008, 05:03 PM | #13 |
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I wouldn't put too much faith in these mileage figures. In the real world the difference between the *30i and *35d cars is about 30%.
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01-02-2008, 05:49 PM | #14 |
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I'd love to see someone come up with a way to figure out the break even point for the increased cost of diesel fuel/purchase price for the increased mileage.
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01-02-2008, 05:53 PM | #15 |
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Around here, diesel is a little more expensive than gas in the winter, and a little less expensive in the summer. I haven't seen any studies, but my gut is that it averages out pretty close to gasoline...
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01-02-2008, 07:42 PM | #16 | |
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I'd love to see them bring over the new pseudo-hybrid diesel Mini - that's some smart tech right there. Take the best things from a hybrid without having to actually do an electronic drivetrain and lug around a huge battery. But again, cost-wise diesel is prohibitively expensive where we live. |
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==> [years to break even] == ([diesel version price] - [gas version price]) / ([miles driven per year] * ([price per gallon of gas] / [gas version mpg] - [price per gallon of diesel] / [diesel version mpg])) |
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Why hasn't any automaker designed a diesel hybrid? Doesn't that seem to make sense?
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Cost is an issue, too. Diesel engines with their high pressure direct injection systems and beefy bottom ends/drivetrains aren't cheap, adding batteries and electric motors would make things worse. Can't hide those costs in a compact car, so it would have to be something more along the lines of an E- or S-class, and as Lexus has proven with the GSh and LSh, current hybrid technology makes very little sense in high-powered vehicles like these. |
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Diesel is much more expensive in PA, especially in the winter. The gains in fuel efficieny over a non diesel version aren't enough to justify the extra cost of the diesel version, unless its like $500. I like the idea of diesel BMWs, but I like the idea of compact li-ion batteries and instantaneous torque of electric motors even more. Perhaps a two mode diesel hybrid. That will quicken up that sub-par 0-60 time.
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335d in AWD would be awesome... I'd get one for 42K...
so much torque.. |
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