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Old 03-01-2015, 01:12 PM   #26
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Old 03-01-2015, 08:40 PM   #27
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so many idiots......so MANY
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Old 03-01-2015, 08:46 PM   #28
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I think it is smart from a sales perspective to offer some sort of automatic because now the chassis can appeal to a broader market.

But the CVT sucks.

Dual Clutch is superior to a true manual, but at the cost of added weight.

Can't really argue that it's too expensive to build since you can get one in a $25,000 GTI and the VAG DSG actually shifts faster than the dual clutch in the Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, GT-R, etc.
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Old 03-01-2015, 09:04 PM   #29
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But the CVT sucks.


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Old 03-01-2015, 11:45 PM   #30
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Great comeback, troll. NEXT!
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Old 03-01-2015, 11:45 PM   #31
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Yes Einstein, CVT does stuck.
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Old 03-02-2015, 07:40 AM   #32
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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/05/0...nsmission-cvt/



You are right, high end performance cars don't have CVT's, they banned them because it made their manual transmission counterparts uncompetitive.

Since when are F1 cars considered "high end performance cars"?
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Old 03-02-2015, 08:29 AM   #33
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Yes Einstein, CVT does stuck.
You wouldn't happen to be Uncle ****ty's son/bitch, would you? You're both so similar in poorly thought remarks.
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:12 AM   #34
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:54 AM   #35
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I think driverless cars are a bigger threat to the WRX rather than manual transmissions being completely phased out.

I see the WRX disappearing due to cars with drivers being made illegal for "safety" and "emissions" purposes before the manual transmission is completely phased out.
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:12 AM   #36
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I think driverless cars are a bigger threat to the WRX rather than manual transmissions being completely phased out.

I see the WRX disappearing due to cars with drivers being made illegal for "safety" and "emissions" purposes before the manual transmission is completely phased out.
Don't tell the dumbass who made this thread THAT! Of all the things to post, the TRUTH is the response he DID NOT want to read/hear!


Seriously, keep it PG-13. You don't expect a wannabe gangster like Unreadable Army to understand the truth, do you?
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:00 PM   #37
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A W still being a useless troll I see...
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:03 PM   #38
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I could be wrong but a CVT doesn't shift its a snowmobile transmission essentially.
Yep, except instead of weights controlling the clutch sheaves, it is done via the ECU and hydraulic pressure. And CVT's absolutely shift into other gear ratios, much like any other transmission. Any change in gear ratios is technically a shift, even if it isn't what you think of as a traditional transmission shifting.

In any case, having driven some high end DSG's, I'd absolutely pick up one of those in a wrx if it were an option. Performance CVT's probably are the future, they just need some more time to bake.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:14 PM   #39
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A W still being a youthful troll I see...
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:16 PM   #40
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Yep, except instead of weights controlling the clutch sheaves, it is done via the ECU and hydraulic pressure. And CVT's absolutely shift into other gear ratios, much like any other transmission. Any change in gear ratios is technically a shift, even if it isn't what you think of as a traditional transmission shifting.

In any case, having driven some high end DSG's, I'd absolutely pick up one of those in a wrx if it were an option. Performance CVT's probably are the future, they just need some more time to bake.
All of that.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:29 PM   #41
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:35 PM   #42
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I think driverless cars are a bigger threat to the WRX rather than manual transmissions being completely phased out.

I see the WRX disappearing due to cars with drivers being made illegal for "safety" and "emissions" purposes before the manual transmission is completely phased out.
You spend too much time reading fantasy books.

Driverless cars may come, likely will come in all probability. But their use will be severely limited. No world economy has the resources to take on the infrastructure and responsibilities. The world will never progress significantly beyond the present... again, economies dictated.

So brace yourself, you CVT unbelievers... get used to it. It's a technology that's too good to be true... yet is. Subaru's Lineartronic, especially the one implemented in the FA20DIT powertrain, is probably the most reliable transmission Subaru has ever put in a car. It provides. And most importantly, owners universally endorse it. Along the way it enables great fuel economies and satisfies the "transmission" equation for the vast bulk of drivers. Guess what all that means.

Japan has the FA20DIT/CVT powertrain that were it here would quiet most driver's needs. But even that can and will be exceeded as CVT technology evolves. Aftermarket evidence shows it doesn't take much to improve on the current CVT WRX/FXT... which IMO is one of the primary underlying, quiet, truths that a brand can offer: cheap power, easy to get. Sounds like a WRX to me... CVT or whatever.

Personally, after two such drivetrains and two years of experience, it is my opinion that the Subaru Lineartronic is the CVT design that others will emulate... because it is great at what it does, is reliable, and is cheaper to produce and warranty than other options.

However, as long as Subaru produces a WRX and STi they would be idiots not to produce manual transmissions. Again IMO, the only major quarrel I have at present is, the 6MT in the WRX (sorry peeps, there goes my opinion again). If the '15 WRX had a 6MT on, or close to, the level of the STi one, with tuning that had no "rev hang." again like the STi, the 2015 WRX would be perfect. Well, excepting some closer resemblance to the Concept WRX , but that should come. Make one like that and I'll make one mine, but until then this CVT WRX satisfies.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:46 PM   #43
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Totally agree. I am 44. Grew up in South Asia and Europe. Drove my first stick when I was 13. Car had 4MT and no syncros. Owned and drove MTs exclusively until I immigrated to the North American continent. I moved to Canada at age 26 and then to the US at age 32. I thoroughly enjoy driving my STi but I also enjoy driving my wife's BMW 328d, from time to time. My "grass-root" choice for transmission will always be MTs but I will give credit to the convenience and ease that ATs offer.
My dad (who taught me stick), now 74, drives an AT Dodge Caravan, but even today, can jump into an MT car and drive it better than most
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If I was in the lucky position to be shopping for a new high performance auto I would be leaning toward some manner of automatic transmission, but that doesn't mean I can't drive "stick".
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:59 PM   #44
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You spend too much time reading fantasy books.

Driverless cars may come, likely will come in all probability. But their use will be severely limited. No world economy has the resources to take on the infrastructure and responsibilities. The world will never progress significantly beyond the present... again, economies dictated.
I REALLY hope your prediction is more correct than mine.

There are some whack jobs over in Europe with talk about how to phase out driver-based cars because google's little garage experiment was partially successful.
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Old 03-02-2015, 03:27 PM   #45
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You wouldn't happen to be Uncle ****ty's son/bitch, would you? You're both so similar in poorly thought remarks.
Great insult, it seems everyone hates you. Is that the best you can do, troll? next!!
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Old 03-02-2015, 03:31 PM   #46
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You spend too much time reading fantasy books.

Driverless cars may come, likely will come in all probability. But their use will be severely limited. No world economy has the resources to take on the infrastructure and responsibilities. The world will never progress significantly beyond the present... again, economies dictated.

So brace yourself, you CVT unbelievers... get used to it. It's a technology that's too good to be true... yet is. Subaru's Lineartronic, especially the one implemented in the FA20DIT powertrain, is probably the most reliable transmission Subaru has ever put in a car. It provides. And most importantly, owners universally endorse it. Along the way it enables great fuel economies and satisfies the "transmission" equation for the vast bulk of drivers. Guess what all that means.

Japan has the FA20DIT/CVT powertrain that were it here would quiet most driver's needs. But even that can and will be exceeded as CVT technology evolves. Aftermarket evidence shows it doesn't take much to improve on the current CVT WRX/FXT... which IMO is one of the primary underlying, quiet, truths that a brand can offer: cheap power, easy to get. Sounds like a WRX to me... CVT or whatever.

Personally, after two such drivetrains and two years of experience, it is my opinion that the Subaru Lineartronic is the CVT design that others will emulate... because it is great at what it does, is reliable, and is cheaper to produce and warranty than other options.

However, as long as Subaru produces a WRX and STi they would be idiots not to produce manual transmissions. Again IMO, the only major quarrel I have at present is, the 6MT in the WRX (sorry peeps, there goes my opinion again). If the '15 WRX had a 6MT on, or close to, the level of the STi one, with tuning that had no "rev hang." again like the STi, the 2015 WRX would be perfect. Well, excepting some closer resemblance to the Concept WRX , but that should come. Make one like that and I'll make one mine, but until then this CVT WRX satisfies.
Interesting points. But what do you mean about the "rev hang"?
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:01 PM   #47
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Interesting points. But what do you mean about the "rev hang"?
Do the simplest of searches on Newbies for "Rev Hang".
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:11 PM   #48
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Great insult, it seems everyone hates you. Is that the best you can do, troll? next!!
Obviously you have me confused with someone who cares.
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:46 PM   #49
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Great another manual vs CVT thread. Because we really needed another one.
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Yes. Why can't everyone just have a Manuel. They are so much fun!
That resurrected some Manuel memories.


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