|
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
12-19-2000, 11:51 PM | #1 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2399
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: fremont, in the bay man
Vehicle:2001 Impreza RS Blue |
Subaru has Voided my warranty
I had a check engine light because of emission problems. Later i had an Apexi Afc put on and i'm not sure if all the wiring is done properly. They voided my warranty because i had the AFC put in, it caused a check engine light. What does this mean if i don't have a warrenty? I would like know what the implications of such a predicament. Thanks for your time fellas.
Larry
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
|
12-20-2000, 12:56 AM | #2 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 1305
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region:
AKIC
Vehicle:2000 Impreza |
Well they can void the warranty on the engine because you've altered the management. If anything does go wrong, they will have to prove its a result of the afc in order to void service. You'll now have to pay for any repairs that are a result of problems from the afc. They can't void the warranty on the rest of the car though. They can't turn down warranty service on your suspension, brakes, interior, etc, etc because the AFC has no effect on those parts.
|
12-20-2000, 04:25 AM | #3 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 1865
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Columbus, Ohio, USA
|
Here's some recommended reading: How Aftermarket Parts Affect Warranties. I wrote it, so if you have any questions feel free to ask.
|
12-20-2000, 05:53 AM | #4 |
Tri-State Track Instructor
Moderator Member#: 197
Join Date: Aug 1999
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Kenilworth, NJ, Caroga Lk, NY
Vehicle:'14 Touareg TDI '14 BRZ http://48hrs.info |
They can only deny service to any parts effected by the AFC. Which could be any engine parts. They have to prove the AFC caused the problem.
-mike '00 Trooper LS '88 XT6 when it dies -> '92 SVX http://www.iace.com/ia/trooper |
12-20-2000, 05:57 AM | #5 |
The Godfather
Member#: 2
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Rowley, MA
Vehicle:2015 STI Launch Ed. Rally Blue Pearl |
Yeah... but you also have to understand Service Manager Logic... if anything can in some way (no matter how complex) be related back to what you installed they are going to try to not cover it. Basically there rule is, if you've affected the car in any way then it's probably related to that.
Fortunatly I have a pretty decent dealer. I had to get my radiator replaced because the two plastic pegs that sit on top and go through the mounts that are attached to the crossbar that the hoodlatch is on. They actually covered it, even with the turbo. So as long as you can show them it's not related they will probably cover it. And I actually think a few months ago they would have said no, but with the new Turbo coming they are probably trying to be a little more leniant around turbo'd cars. -Nick |
12-20-2000, 06:14 AM | #6 |
Ghost Mod
Moderator Member#: 1278
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Silverdale, WA
Vehicle:2001 RS Aspen White |
BongMan - Check out this website:
http://www.sema.org/warranty/ |
12-20-2000, 06:28 AM | #7 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 114
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Wichita, KS and Whoring, OT
Vehicle:'03 Evo, Rice White '01 Erion CBR 929 |
Point being that they MIGHT have defensible ground for voiding the warranty on your engine. Maybe, but probably not IMO. (If the engine runs fine without an AFC and there's no CE light, no harm done IMO.)
But voiding the entire vehicle's warranty? No way. |
12-20-2000, 06:51 AM | #8 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 2351
Join Date: Sep 2000
|
Did they say it voids the warranty or do they just refuse to work on it with the AFC installed? Can make a big difference. Most dealers are willing to help, but have to cover their own backs, so they might give you a chance to put it back to original and then work on it.
Just try to stay nice when dealing with them, profanities don't help. geez, and that from me. Getting old ;^) Good luck! 666 |
12-20-2000, 08:20 AM | #9 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2185
Join Date: Aug 2000
Chapter/Region:
SWIC
Location: AZ
Vehicle:2020 WRX Limited Crystal White |
Definitely clarify if they meant the entire warranty, because they can't do that. Contact Subaru, they were very helpful when I had some questions about warranty stuff. The numbers are on their website and they have a contact Subaru email too. Good luck.
|
12-20-2000, 09:49 AM | #10 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 1418
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Swedesbor, NJ, U.S.
Vehicle:MY00 2.5RS Aspen White |
Three words for ya SUBARU OF AMERICA call them and discuss the problem with them maybe they can help you out with the warranty issue. Also try throwing the Magnuson-Moss Act at them. Make them prove that the AFC is the true cause of the problem. What gets me about the whole warranty thing is that they way dealerships deal with seems to vary for one to another all of them dealing with it in a different way. Some are Lax some are really stringent. I wish someone could step in and set a standard that all the dealers have to follow.
Just my $.02 Rubasu |
12-20-2000, 11:12 AM | #11 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2188
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Remington VA`
Vehicle:2004 Impreza STI 82 BRAT with 12 in. lift |
There is a standard, they just choose to ignore it. I actually had a service manager tell me he didn't care what the MMWA said. After the legal dept. got his atenttion things changed.
|
12-20-2000, 11:16 AM | #12 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 1669
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Vehicle:2004 WRX Sport Wagon Silver |
um installing an AFC taps into the ecu.
of course this voides the warranty. it's just like those little stickers on computer...warranty void if seal broken. |
12-20-2000, 11:33 AM | #13 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 486
Join Date: Nov 1999
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Vehicle:2014 BMW 328i xDrive F31 Sport Wagon |
Ah, but those little stickers on computers that say warranty void don't do anything of the kind. It's fundamentally illegal to void a warranty for chassis intrusion on a computer unless the unit is not UL certified and thus poses a shock risk.
I'm sure it's similar on autos, otherwise having an independent mechanic replace an electrical part or circuit board would void the warranty, yes? |
12-20-2000, 11:59 AM | #14 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 114
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Wichita, KS and Whoring, OT
Vehicle:'03 Evo, Rice White '01 Erion CBR 929 |
Exactly.
Just like all the cute little paint they put over various bolts. What good does it do? So what if I unbolted something? What if an independent servicer unbolted something? I don't see that either of them has anything to do with proving what is wrong with or not wrong with the engine, and what is legally covered under warranty. If something is assembled improperly and THAT caused a problem, sure, ding my warranty coverage. But if it is all in good order, bite me and fix it. |
12-20-2000, 05:21 PM | #15 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2817
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: NYC and Troy, NY
Vehicle:2001 Impreza 2.5RS BRP |
I used to have a 98 Civic EX and the dealer (Rensselaer Honda in Troy, NY) that I bought from refused to fix brakes (change rotors) because I had gone twice before to get them changed or cut. It's too long ago to deal with and I don't even have the car any more because I traded in to get the RS. But is that even legal?
The rotors kept on warping every 10k - 15k. Pissed me off. When they decided not to fix it, I just got cross-drilled rotors and new pads which I eventually installed and worked perfectly. |
12-20-2000, 09:48 PM | #16 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 2878
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Nuevo Mexico, usa
Vehicle:06 Evo IX MR |
The paint is not on the bolts for anti-tamper reasons. It is put there during assembly of the vehicle so that in the final assembly/quality control process, an inspector can check to see that bolts are in place and torqued properly.
[This message has been edited by motorob (edited December 20, 2000).] |
12-21-2000, 12:04 AM | #17 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 20
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: New York
|
Simple solution....find another dealer. You'll find in this world there are people who play by the book, and those who are a bit more of a "mesch"...deal with the beaurocrats, and you'll go nuts, deal with the mensches, and you'll smile. There is (or was) a section on the board that listed positive and negative experiences with dealers nationwide. Check it out! use it as a guide; talk mto other owners..find out what they do. I know it sucks having someone tell you they won't warranty parts because of mods you have done, but you have to pay to play. It's not fair, it sucks, but you can ither live with it and ay out of pocket, or di some research and find a "cooler" service guy.
|
12-21-2000, 03:35 AM | #18 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 133
Join Date: Aug 1999
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Burlington, WA
Vehicle:TBA TBA TBA |
Oh man are you guys missing out on all the ways that they have to void the warranty in the rest of the world. Security tape on the ECU, Bar codes on parts, foil with a seal embedded in it covering the bolts to the turbo and other parts, Checking parts numbers to see if they match the orignal equipment and things like that. That's why most people just void the damn warranty from the very beginning. Its not worth it to try and sneak by. Besides it could be worse. They could always report you to the EPA for trying to alter the emissions and the ECU. Now that would suck!
|
12-21-2000, 03:14 PM | #19 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2399
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: fremont, in the bay man
Vehicle:2001 Impreza RS Blue |
Sorry guys i would have posted a reply sooner, but i've been busy. I think they voided the warranty on the engine and electical equipment. I guess it's not the whole car but i know there is something going wrong with the ecu or some kind of Sensor on my car. I think i'll take my car to another dealer.
I'm going to take off the afc and get another dealer to look at my car. I imagine they will determine what is wrong. Hopefully i'll find a dealer in my area that is kind enough to figure out what is wrong and they won't try and jack me for my aftermarket stuff. Thanks for all the imput guys. Larry |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Amsoil use voided my warranty from Subaru | w8n4sno | Factory 2.5L Turbo Powertrain (EJ Series Factory 2.5L Turbo) | 109 | 03-30-2009 12:44 AM |
First subaru that i own, 08 mods that does not void my warranty | chemaputz1 | Other Engine Management | 0 | 08-25-2008 10:06 PM |
My dealership just told me a CAI voids my warranty | Paraskass | Warranty Issues & SOA Problems | 26 | 08-25-2006 10:39 AM |
Will changing my transmission oil myself void my warranty? | GooseMan | Off-Topic | 13 | 07-29-2004 03:25 PM |
Will it void my warranty? | mrtturbo | Factory 2.0L Turbo Powertrain (EJ Series Factory 2.0L Turbo) | 1 | 09-07-2001 06:52 PM |