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Old 03-23-2013, 08:48 AM   #1101
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I just got a cheap pair of ramps a pepboys, felt safer than jackstands, imho. But gave all the room i needed. Depending on your clearance you may need to jack the car up on them, still not a problem.

Please this is just an option if jackstands work for you and everyone else, thats great, my thought was the wheels where holding the car up and less likely to fall.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:28 AM   #1102
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I've had my header on for about a month now on my 2009 sedan. Love the sound exactly what I wanted. Are any of you with 08+ throwing a cel? I've had mine go on... Anymore info as to how to get around it if possible.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:27 AM   #1103
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Delete/permanently turn the code of through an open source tuning program, don't know to much about it my self though
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:44 AM   #1104
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I've had my header on for about a month now on my 2009 sedan. Love the sound exactly what I wanted. Are any of you with 08+ throwing a cel? I've had mine go on... Anymore info as to how to get around it if possible.
Mine was working fine until my ceramic coating around the cat corroded due to salted roads. Loss of head and colder condition led to a CEL every time I drove on the highway.

With warmer weather I don't get them as much. I plan on re-coating the headers this summer and warping the cat with header wrap so it won't blow codes next winter.
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:21 PM   #1105
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Mine was working fine until my ceramic coating around the cat corroded due to salted roads. Loss of head and colder condition led to a CEL every time I drove on the highway.

With warmer weather I don't get them as much. I plan on re-coating the headers this summer and warping the cat with header wrap so it won't blow codes next winter.
Yeah I live in wisconsin been dealing with cold temps happened at highway speed. When your cel light turns on does your cruise control light flash as well and the traction light stay on? It's like lit up Christmas tree.
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:24 PM   #1106
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Yeah I live in wisconsin been dealing with cold temps happened at highway speed. When your cel light turns on does your cruise control light flash as well and the traction light stay on? It's like lit up Christmas tree.
Yeah, it's really embarrassing when you fog and gas lights are on to, lit up like a Christmas tree. People always ask about it, makes me feel like I drive a beater.
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:01 PM   #1107
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hey everyone!!

I really want to get a set of the headers for my 07! i live in MA though and the cops are pretty strict about loud exhausts ( my car is red so that def draws more attention to it too haha) I have a SPT catback on my car and it is already kinda loud. I was wondering if anyone has an SPT or a similar 3" exhaust? i am curious if the headers made your exhaust louder decible wise?? i know the UEL rumble is def lower pitch and deeper than the EL but does the headers make your car noticeably louder compared to the EL's with an aftermarket exhaust??

Thanks for your help!!!
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:24 PM   #1108
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I had just a catback before upgrading to this header. It indeed got louder with the header+catback. A lot of this is the less restrictive, better flowing, high flow cat in the new header.
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:35 PM   #1109
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I noticed mine get slightly more quiet if anything
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:18 PM   #1110
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what kind of exhaust do you have? obx? your username looks familiar i thin ive talked to you before. what size piping is you catback?
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:20 PM   #1111
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I noticed mine get slightly more quiet if anything
what kind of exhaust do you have? i have had 2 exhauts with 3" piping and it is rather loud. the spt i have now has more of a muffler on it so its quieter at lower rpm's
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:42 PM   #1112
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I just have a magnaflow 2.5' straight through muffler, almost identical to the spt in terms of decibels
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:58 PM   #1113
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I just have a magnaflow 2.5' straight through muffler, almost identical to the spt in terms of decibels
okay cool. by straight threw do you mean no resonator? the SPT has no resonator but if i find it too loud i am probably going to add a resonator or two to try to emphasize more rumble.

my old exhaust was an invidia n1 race so i cant imagine the headers with the spt would be louder than that lol
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:54 AM   #1114
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Mine was working fine until my ceramic coating around the cat corroded due to salted roads. Loss of head and colder condition led to a CEL every time I drove on the highway.
This concerns me. Is there anyway to prevent this? I live in an area that is heavily salted at the first hint of snow. I hate to have spent hundreds of extra dollars only for the coating to wear off after a while.
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:35 PM   #1115
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If the coating is properly applied then it wont just flake/corrode off. as it should a seamless coating with no way for salt/water to get under it. It would normally take an impact to chip the coating which could then lead to salt/water intrusion under the coating.


My header is Cerma Krome coated, and has been running without any CEl's or sign of wear since installation in after xmas. The coating is every bit as shinny and intact as the day I opened the box. And as for the coating working? I would be inclined to say yes as all of february was between -20 to -40 degrees Celsius.
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:11 PM   #1116
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okay cool. by straight threw do you mean no resonator? the SPT has no resonator but if i find it too loud i am probably going to add a resonator or two to try to emphasize more rumble.

my old exhaust was an invidia n1 race so i cant imagine the headers with the spt would be louder than that lol
It's just a straight through that means it's going in at 2.5' and stays that way all the way till exit, the inside is a perforated stainless steel core with a stainless wrap and fiber filled, I think the spt is baffled and takes a few turns in it's route out
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:05 PM   #1117
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This concerns me. Is there anyway to prevent this? I live in an area that is heavily salted at the first hint of snow. I hate to have spent hundreds of extra dollars only for the coating to wear off after a while.
Yeah I wasn't to happy, about it. Not sure if its because I was one of the first to get the satan black, I'm not even sure if it had anything to do with salt. It was just a theory.

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If the coating is properly applied then it wont just flake/corrode off. as it should a seamless coating with no way for salt/water to get under it. It would normally take an impact to chip the coating which could then lead to salt/water intrusion under the coating.

My header is Cerma Krome coated, and has been running without any CEl's or sign of wear since installation in after xmas. The coating is every bit as shinny and intact as the day I opened the box. And as for the coating working? I would be inclined to say yes as all of february was between -20 to -40 degrees Celsius.
Mine was the same way, wicked until one day. I looked in the engine bay and noticed the coating not really there anymore. Only around the cat though.

I'm not sure if it was heat based or salt that caused the corrosion. Here's a pic from the top of the engine bay, only looking at the top of the cat.









And for reference here's how it looked day one.





:::::::: not trying to trash on anyone's workmanship. I always thought it might have been due to salt in Canada or my car being rust proofed somehow? ::::::::::::::::
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:08 PM   #1118
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Mine was working fine until my ceramic coating around the cat corroded due to salted roads. Loss of head and colder condition led to a CEL every time I drove on the highway.

With warmer weather I don't get them as much. I plan on re-coating the headers this summer and warping the cat with header wrap so it won't blow codes next winter.
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This concerns me. Is there anyway to prevent this? I live in an area that is heavily salted at the first hint of snow. I hate to have spent hundreds of extra dollars only for the coating to wear off after a while.
This is way beyond concerning to me, this is totally and completely unacceptable. Perhaps the black satin doesn't stand up to the salt+sand as well as the cerma krome? I will be making a visit to the ceramic coater tomorrow to get to the bottom of this. I stand behind my products 100% (even though I do not personally ceramic coat the headers), and if the premature wear was caused by anything other than impact/chipping etc, I will be more than happy to get those headers recoated free of charge, upgrade you to cerma krome, and pay for shipping both ways, so you're not out a penny.



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If the coating is properly applied then it wont just flake/corrode off. as it should a seamless coating with no way for salt/water to get under it. It would normally take an impact to chip the coating which could then lead to salt/water intrusion under the coating.


My header is Cerma Krome coated, and has been running without any CEl's or sign of wear since installation in after xmas. The coating is every bit as shinny and intact as the day I opened the box. And as for the coating working? I would be inclined to say yes as all of february was between -20 to -40 degrees Celsius.
Glad to hear it. This is what should be expected
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:13 PM   #1119
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Yeah I wasn't to happy, about it. Not sure if its because I was one of the first to get the satan black, I'm not even sure if it had anything to do with salt. It was just a theory.



Mine was the same way, wicked until one day. I looked in the engine bay and noticed the coating not really there anymore. Only around the cat though.

I'm not sure if it was heat based or salt that caused the corrosion. Here's a pic from the top of the engine bay, only looking at the top of the cat.









And for reference here's how it looked day one.





:::::::: not trying to trash on anyone's workmanship. I always thought it might have been due to salt in Canada or my car being rust proofed somehow? ::::::::::::::::

Thank you for the pics, very revealing. Get these back to me as your earliest convenience, and I'll take care of you
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:26 PM   #1120
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I am going with the Cerma Krome Coated for my entire system. I get heavily salted as soon as the sign of snow where I live, I travel 50 miles south into NYC and I do not want anything eating up my expensive exhaust.

THIS IS NOT MY HEADER, MINE IS 4 INTO 1. USING IT JUST AS A SAMPLE.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:34 PM   #1121
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THIS IS MY HEADER. Not coated yet, Cerma Krome Coating is what I want.
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:05 PM   #1122
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I just want to re-iterate how totally awesome it is that you stand behind your work/products so much.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:35 PM   #1124
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+1 this all day. That is why 500$+ is hardly anything compared to what you get from mike (product/service). Take my money any day lol.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:32 PM   #1125
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OK, so I just had a long talk with the ceramic coater. First off, he has been doing this for 18 years and is the best around. He definitely knows his stuff. He is the only one the local race engine builders trust to coat their headers and other components.

What happened to the cat section on Sellars21's header is definitely not normal and not to what to expect. The black satin ceramic coating can withstand temps three times hotter than these NA engines will ever produce, and is what the guys that run strictly race-only engines use. He showed me a piece he coated for a local foundry with black satin that gets filled with (then used to pour) molten aluminum over and over again. The black satin is also rated to handle the worst salt/liquid-salt spray conditions for 5000 hours. The Cerma Krome is even better yet at fighting the elements!

In the future, all headers that are ordered in black satin will have the cat section (and all the way to the cat pipe flange) coated in cerma krome, cured, then recoated in black satin with the rest of the header. This will give the cat a double dose of protection, just to be safe. Anyone looking to have their header ceramic coated to help avoid a cel should be going with cerma krome, as it has better heat retention properties than the black satin.

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