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01-02-2013, 01:54 PM | #26 | |
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Mitsubishi as a whole has the cake to do it, but they likely won't want to invest too much money, so we're likely not going to see any new performance engines outside of variations of the 4B11. I'd vote against them making a 3000GT successor at this time (since it would likely be well over $50,000, and spending that kind of money on a Mitsubishi isn't going to be well-received until they turn their overall image around), but a more performance-oriented Eclipse would be cool. That brings me to my next thought... With the success of Toyota and Subaru working together to make the GT86/FR-S/BRZ, I always wondered what it would be like if Honda and Mitsubishi worked on something together, both being competitors with Toyota and Subaru, respectively. Honda's current lineup is pretty depressing from an enthusiast viewpoint, but they did make the NSX and S2000 before. So maybe people from those teams can do some work with Mitsubishi (who obviously has a pretty good grasp on making turbocharged four-cylinders and AWD) and put their ideas together. Perhaps a Honda-branded coupe (rather than Acura, which seems to cater more toward luxury anyway) and then a Mitsubishi-branded coupe, with a RWD GS-T model and a more top-of-the-line AWD GSX with all of the Evo goodies, clearly at a premium. Even the RWD models could still get S-AYC. A turbo'd motor would definitely give it an edge over the FR-S/BRZ.
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01-02-2013, 02:12 PM | #27 |
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This will sell big to inner-city dwellers. You don't need a big engine for around town, a compact hatch is also easier to park coupled with a low price tag, it should be a hit.
Just don't test drive it with the A/C on. Also, mitsubishi doesn't need to add more cool cars to the market. Sales are too low on cool cars to bolster your company. Mitsubishi needs more cars like this, more bread and butter cars that sell in volume but never really make the cool press releases, magazine covers, or big 3 page spread in car and driver. |
01-02-2013, 02:12 PM | #28 | |
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The idea of a partnership with honda would be exciting. Use honda tech for a rwd chasis and suspension with a mitsu turbo 4 cylinder motor. I would probably jump on a car like that. I think the brz/frs is really missing a huge market by not offering a turbo variant. Even if you turbo the current motor, you get small gains in hp/tq and reliability... well its unknown but we can speculate its not good. I think that the car manufacturers believe everyone wants these bland and boring enviro friendly cars. Im not saying there is not a market for it (look at the prius and others), but there is a huge demographic that still wants that driver oriented feel. I think people who are not car enthusiast even want that. |
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01-02-2013, 02:29 PM | #29 | |
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My only concern is that while a lot of other manufacturers are switching to smaller engines with turbos, a bit reason for that is because they get better gas mileage rather than it being a "better" platform (though that is sometimes the case). I don't know if it's just because Mitsubishi doesn't know how to make a good ratio for its highest gears, but their turbocharged motors just don't seem to get anything better than average mpg. Yes, I realize that they are having the duty of powering a heavier car with AWD, but today's Evos are rated at about the same mpg that the GT-R gets, and that also has AWD... and another couple hundred pounds to lug around but with around 250 hp more. This will need to be addressed, one way or another. |
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01-02-2013, 02:46 PM | #30 | |
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However the eclipse did sell very well in it's glory days (90-99). It was a cool, affordable, practical car for a young adult with no kids. Something the BRZ and FRS didn't quite hit the mark with(unless they shed about $4000 in price). If the BRZ/FRS made a slower version with the base subaru 170hp engine, regular suspension, and offered it for less than $20k, it would sell like hotcakes right now. If mitsubishi could reinvent the eclipse again, but not make it so ugly like the current generation, keep the price at a level that competes with the focus, corolla, civic etc.. The base model having a ride, handling and performance of economy cars like the focus and civic. But offering a performance model with a stiffer suspension and turbo for brand recognition and street cred. Then the eclipse would sell like hotcakes again. They should go back to that winning formula selling roughly 200,000 eclipse/talons per year consistently from 90-99. |
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The wrx really has a market of its own in my opinion. Its not as expensive as an evo or STI, it delivers good performance for they everyday driver and there doesnt seem to be any other awd car like it in its price range. I was really excited to see the brz come out. But after driving in one, I was really disappointed. Yes it handles great, is small and sporty, but it just lacks any thrill in my opinion. I still think the 02 wrx gave me more thrill than the brz. While the STI an EVO are cool cars, im just not impressed with todays options of cars for $35k and under. I want to see something new and exciting. |
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01-02-2013, 03:28 PM | #33 | |
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Plus every time you hear about 30+ MPG sports cars lately, you start hearing about hybrid technology, automated transmissions, light weight / low horsepower, or a big V8. I for one like getting the most HP out of the smallest engine possible, so for some odd reason, a V8 Evo just wouldn't appeal to me...a fairly high revving low end torque small diesel might actually be interesting though. |
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I think you guys would know better than I, but hasn't Mitsubishi declared that they will remodel themselves around green/eco specialized vehicles? I haven't heard a remote whisper about performance anything from them since the EVO/Ralliart came to market. Or anything new at all in the past several years for that matter. Just the i, the Outlanders and now this Mirage. Nothing else. I'm pretty worried whether they'll be around to honor the zillion year warranty on our Outlander.
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01-02-2013, 04:17 PM | #36 | |
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01-03-2013, 08:51 AM | #37 |
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Mitsubishi clearly wants to follow the current trend and aim for higher MPG's. I just fear that this may be a little too late. They need consider making a car that is a good alternative to whats being offered by say Ford or Toyota. The Mirage could be that car, but they have to be serious....this car cannot get the job done. Mitsubishi used to be the kings of turbocharged vehicles and they need to use that know how to build a 200 or so hp car, that gets decent MPG's, and comes equipped with a tech package that is on par with something being offered by Honda/Toyota/Hyundai-KIA. It really starts with one car, and as much as I'm clamoring to see what the next Evolution will offer I know that a new EVO will not change anything for Mitsubishi here in the US.
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That's what I'm talking about with having an even less powerful but more downstream base model of the FR-S/BRZ and why I referred to such a model as becoming essentially a RWD Civic. That will knock a few thousand off of its base price and make it accessible to that younger crowd who will account for a significant portion of its sales. Expect more ricing out, more incidents (violations and accidents) that will end up in the insurance rates for it increasing even more and more unenforced stupidity behind the wheel by such drivers. Obviously a lower asking price does not mean that only kids will buy it, as in your case it will make it a more likely option for a second car for people who have families and big boy responsiblities but not necessarily a massive salary, but that will likely be a much smaller percentage of the buyers who would then find the car accessible. But at the same time, it wouldn't happen anyway, since it's pretty much getting too close to the Scion tC's territory in terms of price, which I'd bet is probably more profitable for Toyota, plus they want to preserve the FR-S's image as their sports car. And like I said before, even with 200 hp, most enthusiasts either think it's just right or not enough. Less firepower will basically make it an image car rather than being an enthusiast car (and the Miata becomes an option), kind of like the very first Boxster that got labeled as a hairdresser's car for those who wanted a Porsche but couldn't afford a 911. Obviously that isn't the case anymore. Quote:
However, factory financing rarely generates that kind of money for vehicles in this price range unless the customer either has a really bad credit rating or put zero money down... or both. There are clients like that but they do not account for the majority, and in those situations they likely would not be good candidates for a $25k car that has no room for bargaining. Additionally, some people pay cash and some people finance through other means, like through their own banks or through credit unions, both of whom will likely have better financing rates anyway. It's unlikely that Toyota will offer special APRs that are way better for this kind of a car that clearly has no trouble selling itself. Additionally, Mitsubishi has been burned badly in the past with some financing specials that they offered in the US in the past, most of which didn't generate profit through financing anyway (i.e. 0% with $0 down), so it's likely not one of their big generators of profit. Quote:
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01-04-2013, 10:21 AM | #42 | |
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I don't disagree with Mitsubishi going back to small, fuel efficient cars as they are good at it. However then need to bring back the Eclipse but with the spirit of the original. It needs to be go back to being a small, exciting, capable sport compact that is affordable. $35k EVO's aren't enough to bring people into the dealerships. They need an affordable sporty car to resonate with younger buyers like what the WRX did for Subaru in 2002. |
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01-04-2013, 10:46 AM | #43 |
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^ It's not only the fault of Daimler Chrysler. Their California design studio really messed up a lot of cars with their stupid design philosophy.
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01-04-2013, 12:50 PM | #44 | |
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Look at what Kia is doing with the Optima. It looks expensive for what is, has nice features and it got people over the name Kia (and again starts at 21, but loaded 35). People want cheap luxury and that's what Mitsu needs to do. The Outlander Sport is selling well because it looks good, has a ton of features and is inexpensive. What else does mitsu have that fits that bill? Nothing. |
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01-04-2013, 01:19 PM | #45 |
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That's what the Galant is for, but unfortunately Mitsubishi can't seem to get that car right. Additionally their non-Evo motors lack refinement, so they'd need to make a lot of big changes.
That's not to say that I disagree with you though, it's just not very likely for Mitsubishi to suddenly get their stuff together and make a good looking sedan that is competitive within its segment outside of the Evo. |
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01-05-2013, 05:52 PM | #47 |
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I can see that, but the upsizing of the Lancer doesn't really explain why they haven't made a halfway decent Galant in a decade.
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bring back awd eclipse, starion and 3000gt. dont mess them up
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01-06-2013, 01:44 AM | #49 |
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A turbo S-AWC eclipse would be great!
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