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Old 01-20-2012, 02:24 PM   #501
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We will be putting it together with this same JDM TS header, up, and down.

Turbo will stay the same but I may shoot it over to Blouch for a refresh while the car is down.
Do you have a dyno chart or perhaps a log with this setup? Do you indeed have the Blouch SC46 or equivalent?

All the UK dyno charts of the turbo are biased garbage (posted by vendor) and show absurd high numbers even for crank, or at the very least are uncomparable (2.0L engines mostly) or without details (fuel, etc).

I run VF36/GT2871 hybrid and I am thinking about an upgrade. Thanks a lot in advance.
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Do you have a dyno chart or perhaps a log with this setup? Do you indeed have the Blouch SC46 or equivalent?

All the UK dyno charts of the turbo are biased garbage (posted by vendor) and show absurd high numbers even for crank, or at the very least are uncomparable (2.0L engines mostly) or without details (fuel, etc).

I run VF36/GT2871 hybrid and I am thinking about an upgrade. Thanks a lot in advance.
Ummmm no. The UK dyno charts are fine, and they were not only posted by a vendor. If you bothered to go through the whole thread you would see numerous dyno plots posted by people, and they included details regarding fuel/setup. Please learn to read before making ignorant comments.

The guys in the UK making "absurdly high numbers" are running E85, but you seem to have missed that part. They also are only making 380-400whp with the SC46 on 2.0 and 2.5 engines. This turbo flows 47lbs, on E85 those power figures are not surprising at all.

Please go read the UK thread, or our "stock location twin scroll" thread. In our thread here, we have posted all of the relevant info from the scoobynet forum along with a dyno from our own member. On a EJ207 with 92 octane he made 370whp on a dynojet with the Blouch 2.5xtr-TS. That was also using a TMIC. Give him E85 with a front mount and that number would easily be 400whp+.
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So now 400whp on Dynojet is considered to be 400whp? Wow

It's simple: some data comparing the turbo to some familiar setups on familiar dynos is needed. Or even better: logs. Since you seem to be talking up the turbo all the time here I hope you can provide some hard evidence, no?

And spare us that crank hp crap and the garbage UK dynos charts.

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Old 01-20-2012, 08:11 PM   #504
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Ummmm no. The UK dyno charts are fine, and they were not only posted by a vendor.
Oh, yeah? Every single SC46 dyno graph in your post has been posted by user The Gaffer aka Scoobyclinic.

Again, I am not saying the turbo is crap. The propaganda you're doing is crap. All I am saying the information about is lacking and there isn't any useful information that would allow us to compare this turbo against other familiar setups.


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So now 400whp on Dynojet is considered to be 400whp? Wow

It's simple: some data comparing the turbo to some familiar setups on familiar dynos is needed. Or even better: logs. Since you seem to be talking up the turbo all the time here I hope you can provide some hard evidence, no?

And spare us that crank hp crap and the garbage UK dynos charts.
Wow you are ignorant.......

The UK dyno charts are not garbage. They are crank hp, and unless you are retarded, it's pretty simple to calculate whp.

And 370whp on a dynojet on 92 octane with a TMIC is impressive. A VF37 would be lucky to break 300whp on a dynojet with 92.

And there are plenty of "familiar" dynos, just not a mustang dyno which I assume you want. And your modded VF37 is garbage, I ran that setup and a stock VF37 is worlds better.
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Oh, yeah? Every single SC46 dyno graph in your post has been posted by user The Gaffer aka Scoobyclinic.

Again, I am not saying the turbo is crap. The propaganda you're doing is crap. All I am saying the information about is lacking and there isn't any useful information that would allow us to compare this turbo against other familiar setups.
Go read scoobynet, there are many independent dyno results if you bothered to read the thread.

And FYI Scoobyclinic have a huge reputation in the UK and back up those dyno plots with 1/4 mile passes that are very impressive. Because at the end of the day, trap speed means more than a dyno number, and they have the trap speeds to back it up.

Hahaha "propaganda" in what way am I spreading propaganda

Here's a thought, why don't you go to scoobynet and see how it compares with other turbos over there, because it's doing great. Or look at the Blouch 1.5xtr and 2.5xtr, both hitting 400whp+ on mustang dynos.

Seriously go do your homework. Your comments regarding crank hp and UK dynos being bogus shows how truly ignorant you are.
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Do you have a dyno chart or perhaps a log with this setup? Do you indeed have the Blouch SC46 or equivalent?

All the UK dyno charts of the turbo are biased garbage (posted by vendor) and show absurd high numbers even for crank, or at the very least are uncomparable (2.0L engines mostly) or without details (fuel, etc).

I run VF36/GT2871 hybrid and I am thinking about an upgrade. Thanks a lot in advance.
I have a plot earlier in the thread with details on the car when it was tuned with the setup.
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Here's some food for thought regarding dynos.

Typically a dynojet reads 10% higher than dyno dynamics and mustang dynos, and usually dyno dynamics and mustangs are not far off. BUT depending on the dyno, the numbers can vary. Some guys have jumped on the mustang, then the dyno dynamics, and the mustang showed higher numbers...... at the end of the day dyno numbers don't mean much since they all can vary day to day. They are only useful if you use the same one to see the change in power with new parts. Best is a road dyno IMO.

1/4 trap speed is the best way to show power. I don't care if your dyno says you make 400whp while mine says I make 350whp while I have a higher trap speed. Point being that the scoobyclinic guys back up their "bogus dyno numbers" with solid trap speeds. Regardless, they use dyno dynamics set to show bhp, and it's easy to determine whp from this. Just like how we can take the crank HP for the USDM STi and calculate whp fairly close based on drivetrain loss of roughly 20% drivetrain loss.

Now look at TIC's results. 340whp (yes it's a dynojet) with a stock TMIC, and basically nothing else on pump gas at only 22psi. Throw some E85, intake/inlet etc etc and you could see much better numbers. A stock VF37 on this engine would have been nowhere near these numbers. I've also seen many GT30R's (with supporting mods) only make 390-400whp on a dynojet.



Not bad for having a few issues with the setup and on pump fuel. The big thing to note is the difference compared to the regular VF37. That's what you should be paying attention to.
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Turn In Concepts is just an EJ205 as well from what I remember. If it were an EJ207 that graph would look quite different in all ways positive.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:12 PM   #510
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Go read scoobynet, there are many independent dyno results if you bothered to read the thread.
Link a couple please said independent results.

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Here's a thought, why don't you go to scoobynet and see how it compares with other turbos over there, because it's doing great. Or look at the Blouch 1.5xtr and 2.5xtr, both hitting 400whp+ on mustang dynos.
2.5XTR is 340-370 whp turbo on pump on a Mustang, depending on supporting mods. It can break 400 whp on E85, but that's it.

Link for you: http://efilogics.com/dyno/index.php?search=2.5xtr

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Now look at TIC's results. 340whp (yes it's a dynojet) with a stock TMIC, and basically nothing else on pump gas at only 22psi. Throw some E85, intake/inlet etc etc and you could see much better numbers. A stock VF37 on this engine would have been nowhere near these numbers. I've also seen many GT30R's (with supporting mods) only make 390-400whp on a dynojet.


You linked regular Blouch 1.5XTR results from this thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...php?p=36166369.

Last I checked TIC was not located in Hawaii.


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Not bad for having a few issues with the setup and on pump fuel. The big thing to note is the difference compared to the regular VF37. That's what you should be paying attention to.
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Point is you cannot compare regular 1.5XTR to the twinscroll hybrid aka SC46. It's a different turbine housing.

But you know what: yeah, I believe it will make more power than my "garbage" VF36/GT2871. It is very possible I will buy the turbo later this year and post the results. I have all the supporting mods needed: full turboback, intake, inlet, TGV deletes, 1000cc injectors, 08 STI TMIC, fuel pump, rebuilt heads with multiangle valve job.

And I'll even send you $$$ for a case of beer if it EFI Logics gets 400whp on E85. I don't think I will have to. Heck, I'll do that even if it breaks 380 whp to account for my TMIC (even though I doubt FMIC is good for 20whp on this setup).
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Link a couple please said independent results.
Already posted one
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2.5XTR is 340-370 whp turbo on pump on a Mustang, depending on supporting mods. It can break 400 whp on E85, but that's it.

Link for you: http://efilogics.com/dyno/index.php?search=2.5xtr
You forgot about the one just shy of 400whp on pump. And 340-370whp...... yes mods determine a lot. I could say the GT30R varies from 300-400whp on pump.....because it can dependant on mods.

Point is, most of the 2.5xtr are making 370whp+ on mustang dynos. You posted ONLY links to EFI.... I hope you realize they are not the only company with a mustang dyno



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You linked regular Blouch 1.5XTR results from this thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...php?p=36166369.

Last I checked TIC was not located in Hawaii.
Reading comprehension > you

I hope you realize the link I posted was in reference to this comment: "Not bad for having a few issues with the setup and on pump fuel. The big thing to note is the difference compared to the regular VF37. That's what you should be paying attention to."

Even worse...... the link you posted is in no way related to the dyno graph I posted. You posted results from user "Cobbsti"


What I posted was from user "deraj_53" running a 2.5XTR-TS on a EJ207.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=437
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=428


Keep digging that hole of yours, you have shown that you have no reading comprehension at all.

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Old 01-20-2012, 10:49 PM   #513
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Point is you cannot compare regular 1.5XTR to the twinscroll hybrid aka SC46. It's a different turbine housing.

But you know what: yeah, I believe it will make more power than my "garbage" VF36/GT2871. It is very possible I will buy the turbo later this year and post the results. I have all the supporting mods needed: full turboback, intake, inlet, TGV deletes, 1000cc injectors, 08 STI TMIC, fuel pump, rebuilt heads with multiangle valve job.

And I'll even send you $$$ for a case of beer if it EFI Logics gets 400whp on E85. I don't think I will have to. Heck, I'll do that even if it breaks 380 whp to account for my TMIC (even though I doubt FMIC is good for 20whp on this setup).
BTW the main comparison is to the 2.5XTR

the 2.5XTR has no problem hitting 400whp+ with a TMIC on E85 at EFI or other mustang dynos. The 2.5XTR-TS certainly wont have any issues exceeding 380whp on E85.
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This turbo is not 2.5XTR equivalent despite the name

Not even the same turbine.
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This turbo is not 2.5XTR equivalent despite the name

Not even the same turbine.
Really....... why don't you go ask blouch who would disagree with you

And the 1.5XTR and the 2.5XTR-TS share the same 56.5mm turbine, BUT the other differences bring it closer to the 2.5XTR, which is why Blouch call it that. Maybe you should give them a call and learn something before pretending to know what your talking about.

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I am not sure how this keeps being referenced to the 2.5XTR Polka Pickle. When in actuality it's more like the Blouch 1.5XTR as it uses a 56.5mm turbine just like the SC46 uses and then uses a 49 lb/min XTR compressor.
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It's possible it was just a typo, but I've never seen it labeled as a 49lb, only basing the 47lb off of the OP. It is def the same turbo as the SC46, I confirmed that with scoobyclinic this morning.


That's just what I've always heard it referred too. Never received clarification on the issue. But the power levels are similar to the 2.5
So you received "clarification" on the issue, yes?
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Ninja edit

Whatever. Let's wait for your 400whp. Post results then we'll talk.

And one more thing: you need to tone down the personal attacks. Every post of yours has one. I am merely pointing lack of evidence to your claims.
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Whatever. Let's wait for your 400whp. Post results then we'll talk.

And one more thing: you need to tone down the personal attacks. Every post of yours has one. I am merely pointing lack of evidence to your claims.
Nothing to Ninja edit, I only added information, nothing was removed .
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Whatever. Let's wait for your 400whp. Post results then we'll talk.

And one more thing: you need to tone down the personal attacks. Every post of yours has one. I am merely pointing lack of evidence to your claims.
So how much WHP are you wanting to make with said Twin Scroll Upgrade? Right now Blouch can make you any Twin Scroll variants between the 18G-XTR - Dom 1.5XTR. If none of those turbos listed or those in between doesn't meet your needs, than Blouch doesn't have an option for you currently.

My advice to you is look at the Single Scroll counterparts listed above and research those and if you like have Blouch build it for you. There are tons of Dyno Graphs from the States showing all of Blouch's new Ball Bearing XTR line of turbo's....
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Exactly what I did. Find the single scroll version at the EFI database (easiest and most comprehensive log of multiple cars and mods) and that's likely what you can expect. Maybe a little sooner peak torque/spool and better transient response, but the peak horse number (which seems to be the focal point of the argument?) will be the same. Single or twin scroll.

On that note, the 2.5XTR on the EFI dyno seems to average about 360-380 on pump no meth, from my readings.
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Again, everybody is assuming P25 housing of the VF37/VF36 will flow as much as the original 8cm or 10cm Mitsu housing used on single scroll 1.5XTR/2.5XTR.

VF37/VF36 is VF39 sized turbo. Granted P25 is bigger than P18 used on VF39. Is it as big as 8cm housing? Let alone 10cm?
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Again, everybody is assuming P25 housing of the VF37/VF36 will flow as much as the original 8cm or 10cm Mitsu housing used on single scroll 1.5XTR/2.5XTR.

VF37/VF36 is VF39 sized turbo. Granted P25 is bigger than P18 used on VF39. Is it as big as 8cm housing? Let alone 10cm?
Were not assuming, we've spoken to Blouch about this. You are the one making assumptions.
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It isn't a hybrid turbo. The housing is honed out to 10cm size. This has also been covered in several places.
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So now 400whp on Dynojet is considered to be 400whp? Wow

It's simple: some data comparing the turbo to some familiar setups on familiar dynos is needed. Or even better: logs. Since you seem to be talking up the turbo all the time here I hope you can provide some hard evidence, no?

And spare us that crank hp crap and the garbage UK dynos charts.
Aside from the 2wd cars here's a comparison thread of cars tuned on the dyno here in Hawaii.
We only have one shop with a 4wd dyno on the island. Which is good for us since it's easy to compare figures and numbers across different setups here.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/hawaii-...thread-218151/
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Sorry we havent been updating, we were really busy the past few months. So for the twin scroll setup we offer

TD05H-18G T/S, Turbo comes complete with water pipes and drain tube, No gaskets

TD05H-20G T/S Turbo comes complete with water pipes and drain tube, No gaskets

Dominator 1.0XT T/S Turbo comes complete with water pipes and drain tube, No gaskets

If you have a VF36/37 we can machine the turbine housing for a Garrett B/B CHRA and you will have a T/S Dom 2.5 XT-R. If we missed your PM, send again or email [email protected] for questions
i have a busted VF36 and i'm interested in the T/S Dom 2.5 XT-R choice as i'm shooting for the 400whp mark on a T/S setup. what other options do i have ? don't get me wrong but the kinugawa line up seems tempting too price wise .. . . .
but how much is this going to coast me ? how much time would it take ? and how to contact you ?
i sent mike mike an e-mail as well but still waiting for an answer .
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