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07-21-2013, 02:24 PM | #1351 |
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That's more of John's style than the car. I'd never call him smooth, but his entry speeds are awesome. There is a reason he holds over 10 track records. The car itself is Very easy to drive.
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07-21-2013, 04:46 PM | #1352 | |
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07-22-2013, 12:05 PM | #1353 | |
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So here is John's summary of the day
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07-22-2013, 12:42 PM | #1354 |
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Congratulations on getting the car out on the track! I enjoyed meeting the Factory Five guys -- thanks for giving me a tour of the car. We look forward to building our first one.
Here's a pic I took... --Dan Mach V FastWRX.com |
07-22-2013, 12:44 PM | #1355 |
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Here are a few things I thought while reading these posts.
1) I See that the 3 speed still cannot handle any real sort of power... great 2) When will they redesign it for the 6 speed? But in all honestly I know there is more to the problem than it being a subaru gear problem. That being said, I know what its like to be down a gear on track, and it sucks! 2:09 with that power is not a great time, but without a gear I can now understand. Great showing guys! |
07-22-2013, 03:22 PM | #1356 |
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Not to piss on the parade because I really like this car and I'm excited about possibly owning one, but given that Element Phil's cars are getting down to below 2:00, and that is a car I could see potentially turning my STI into, I'd like to see the 818 get under 2:00. I realize the $ behind getting my car to where Phil's is at is in a different league than the 818, but since I'm already heavily invested in the STI, it's about the same at this point.
The question is, do we think the car can get below 2:00? I would think that we could get the engine to 400+ whp pretty easily (I'm doing it now on a top mount and pump gas), but what about drivability and grip in the RWD format? At these power levels and without electrical traction nannies, it's supposedly pretty hard to keep a RWD car in a straight line. 4wd gives the STI an edge in this regard. fwiw, I'm not worried about the transmission. The 5 speed with PPG's is reputed to handle ~500 ft-lb if you don't screw up too bad. |
07-22-2013, 03:29 PM | #1357 |
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Grip was never an issue with this car, especially at speed. There was plenty of down force. Plus, acceleration grip is usually only a concern from a stop or lower speeds. Throttle discipline goes a long ways. With 400 HP the car would probably be under 2:00. Heck at current levels I think the car is a 2:02 car, I think John was being conservative at 2:04.
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07-22-2013, 04:09 PM | #1358 |
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I don't think I've seen any pictures that really make this clear, but what prevents the 6-speed from fitting in the car? I know it's both longer and bigger around than the 5-speed--is it too long to fit in the back of the car? What does it interfere with?
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07-22-2013, 11:13 PM | #1359 |
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It hasn't been tested, but there isn't much room between the back of the shift rod and the rear of the car. This car had 340whp. In a car that weighs 1800lbs, that's equivalent to 623 whp in a 2006 STI weighing 3300lbs. Most people can't handle that much power, and it certainly isn't needed for a street driven 818. A lower hp should do just fine as would the 5 speed.
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I'd be curious to see how much this changes with 150 whp and some aero. I know we had been taking it at 155'ish.
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Anyone know what they were running for suspension and what diff they had in the car? Anxious to see what's to come, Micah 3MI Racing |
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07-23-2013, 10:13 AM | #1361 |
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Agreed on this point- I'm really looking forward to seeing more metrics on this car- the esses rely significantly on aero, but seeing the numbers for other turns throughout the course as the car gets tuned up will give us a better understanding of its potential.
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07-23-2013, 03:20 PM | #1362 | |
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818 best case weight without driver 1800#/340hp = 5.3#/hp 818 with driver 2100#/340hp = 6.2#/hp 818 with more likely power 2100#/300hp = 7#/hp 818 with stock power 2100#/227 = 9.3#/hp STI 3500#/340hp = 10.3#/hp STI stock 3500#/300hp = 11.6#/hp Elie 2200#/190hp = 11.6#/hp Elise S240 2250#/240hp = 9.4#/lb NC MX5 2700#/167hp = 16.2#/hp BRZ 2900#/200hp = 14.5#/hp A 300hp 818 sounds like a real hoot. |
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07-23-2013, 04:05 PM | #1363 |
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How about the Element STI: 3000#/650hp = 4.6#/hp
Of course these numbers are somewhat subjective- the state of Phil's car changes by the event, and I don't know the weight of the current build, but you get the idea... |
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07-23-2013, 07:44 PM | #1365 | |
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Running like that, our trap speed off the back straight is down about 10 mph. Drag is really bad at mid 180's. I will wait for the green light to put in the good engine and turbo Realistically, comparing the Element or TIC car to this is like Apples and Oranges, unless you strictly want to compare weekend track toys. In which case, I'm going to bet that the 818 has much lower consumables |
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07-23-2013, 08:11 PM | #1366 |
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Let's also recall a portion of the goal for the 818 is affordable. Specs wise we compare it to much more expensive cars, sure. But the 818 looks like it will be more affordable in every aspect then any of the comparison cars mentioned so far. An actual affordable track car that really feels like a special race specific open cockpit race car at...~17k or so?
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07-24-2013, 08:16 AM | #1368 |
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Anyone know how tall the driver is in these pics? I thought the rollover protection for most clubs was 2" between the top of the bar and the top of the helmet? If there's no structural windshield then the forward measurement point is the top of the fenders, and in the picture above it doesn't look like it would pass.
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07-24-2013, 11:22 AM | #1369 |
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John is about 5"11 to 6'
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07-24-2013, 12:06 PM | #1370 | |
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I think you can make a subie run that fast for the same money but consumables on this will still be lower. Last edited by Homemade WRX; 07-24-2013 at 01:11 PM. |
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The biggest issue I see is getting this thing classed where it will actually compete against production cars. What good is it if you get placed against all the A-mod cars? This is supposed to be a "production" kit car. If I bought a car like this it would be for one purpose (since I can't DD it reasonably like I can a true production car that's race prepped/stripped): competing in actual race events and winning
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07-24-2013, 01:10 PM | #1372 |
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Nasa Str-3
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07-24-2013, 01:21 PM | #1373 |
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Nevermind, missed the R in str3 haha
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what else drives in str-3? I'm not familiar with the typical competitors
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STR1 & STR3
Any closed wheel/fendered racecar, that complies with all NASA safety requirements in the CCR, and all of the applicable restrictions and limitations listed below in 7.2 and 7.3 is eligible to compete based on the "Adjusted Weight/Power Ratios" below: Super Touring R1 (STR1) = "Adjusted Wt/Hp Ratio" equal to, or greater than, 5.50:1 Super Touring R3 (STR3) = "Adjusted Wt/Hp Ratio" equal to, or greater than, 9.0:1 Performance enhancing and chassis/body/aero modifications are otherwise unlimited. So you see a lot of tube frame cars like Lotus 7 kits, Modified Legends and Thunder Roadsters, Cobra Kit cars, Panoz GTS WC, Toyota World Challenge, and a whole host of tube framed kit cars. There is also the ability to request a bump to ST2 which would be fairly stock Corvettes, Evo's, STi's etc. |
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