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Old 10-09-2013, 12:37 PM   #226
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My dealer agreed with me it was the firewall spot welds. However my 09 wrx is out of warranty, so he said I would have to pay for it myself. I don't have the money to get it fixed. Put in my info for the lawsuit. My question is: Other than an annoying click and squeak, Does this weld break have any other consequences, such as increased clutch wear etc???
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:03 PM   #227
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Why not call Subaru yourself? Other posters on here are saying that Subaru helped them. I sure would VS waiting for this lawsuit. The attorneys have to rack-up a bunch of hours so they get a few mill. we'll have to pay for eventually! Either call Subaru or e-mail them. Can't hurt...
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:26 PM   #228
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Why not call Subaru yourself? Other posters on here are saying that Subaru helped them. I sure would VS waiting for this lawsuit. The attorneys have to rack-up a bunch of hours so they get a few mill. we'll have to pay for eventually! Either call Subaru or e-mail them. Can't hurt...
SOA didn't formally acknowledge the problem until people started complaining en masse, i.e., when the lawsuit was underway and people started filing complaints with the NHTSA. It isn't a coincidence.

If you are affected by this problem and don't want to join in the lawsuit, then don't do it, but I implore you to file an NHTSA complaint.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

And yes, it is great news that SOA is stepping up and fixing these problems, but they didn't do it until someone gave the problem a larger voice.

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My dealer agreed with me it was the firewall spot welds. However my 09 wrx is out of warranty, so he said I would have to pay for it myself. I don't have the money to get it fixed. Put in my info for the lawsuit. My question is: Other than an annoying click and squeak, Does this weld break have any other consequences, such as increased clutch wear etc???
From what I saw personally on the OP's car, it got to the point where the car wouldn't go in gear because the clutch pedal wasn't fully actuating the master cylinder anymore, it was just flexing the firewall instead. A sensation of not being able to get the pedal 'far enough' to the floor was the symptom there.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:41 PM   #229
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My dealer agreed with me it was the firewall spot welds. However my 09 wrx is out of warranty, so he said I would have to pay for it myself. I don't have the money to get it fixed. Put in my info for the lawsuit. My question is: Other than an annoying click and squeak, Does this weld break have any other consequences, such as increased clutch wear etc???
So because you're poor your choice is to sue? I've never met a poor group of auto enthusiasts. They can't fix their car out of warranty but they can mod the **** out of the car.

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Old 10-09-2013, 02:50 PM   #230
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So because you're poor your choice is to sue? I've never met a poor group of auto enthusiasts. They can't fix their car out of warranty but they can mid the **** out of the car.
I don't think anyone is expecting real financial compensation here (other than the attorneys, which is fine, with the amount of work that will need to be done they will earn it). It seems like most people just want the judge to issue an injunction to force Subaru to fix/extend the warranty/issue a recall for the vehicles that have the firewall problems.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:53 PM   #231
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I don't think anyone is expecting real financial compensation here (other than the attorneys, which is fine, with the amount of work that will need to be done they will earn it). It seems like most people just want the judge to issue an injunction to force Subaru to fix/extend the warranty/issue a recall for the vehicles that have the firewall problems.
Exactly.
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:05 PM   #232
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I know this is not the thread for this.. but I wish more people filed complaints to https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/ on the piston ring failure.
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:57 PM   #233
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My question is: Other than an annoying click and squeak, Does this weld break have any other consequences, such as increased clutch wear etc???
A couple possible things can happen.
-Premature clutch wear from inadvertently riding the clutch
-Complete collapse of the break and clutch pedal assembly


People need to contact Subaru specifically. Don't bother dealing directly with your dealership because they probably will turn you back around or charge you if you're out of warranty. If that doesn't work out, do what everyone else is recommending and file a complaint with the NHTSA.

The law suit will probably help push the problem to be heard but no one wants to wait for that to pan out.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:04 PM   #234
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A couple possible things can happen.
-Premature clutch wear from inadvertently riding the clutch
-Complete collapse of the break and clutch pedal assembly


People need to contact Subaru specifically. Don't bother dealing directly with your dealership because they probably will turn you back around or charge you if you're out of warranty. If that doesn't work out, do what everyone else is recommending and file a complaint with the NHTSA.

The law suit will probably help push the problem to be heard but no one wants to wait for that to pan out.
Thanks for the info. I called SOA and they said they would contact my local dealer about the problem and find a solution. Still no reply from them, the squeak isn't that bad yet and there is no clutch slip so I have some time. Just wish the problem wasn't there in the first place.
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Old 10-13-2013, 03:38 PM   #235
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Welp, my wife's 08 WRX Hatch w/ 42k developed the squeaky clutch pedal about 4-6 weeks ago. After taking off the cowl today, there is one spot weld that is broken, and the other is showing stress cracks and is probably not far behind.



This car also had the bad intake manifold gaskets that was causing vacuum/boost leak issues. The dealer told me it was going to be $450 in labor, not a warranty fix, so did it myself.

Will be calling SOA first thing in the morning about this, as this is not acceptable workmanship. While watching the clutch pedal being depressed, the amount of movement in the firewall is ungodly as well. Sad to know so many people will end up having this problem at some point.
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Old 10-13-2013, 03:41 PM   #236
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Welp, my wife's 08 WRX Hatch w/ 42k developed the squeaky clutch pedal about 4-6 weeks ago. After taking off the cowl today, there is one spot weld that is broken, and the other is showing stress cracks and is probably not far behind.



This car also had the bad intake manifold gaskets that was causing vacuum/boost leak issues. The dealer told me it was going to be $450 in labor, not a warranty fix, so did it myself.

Will be calling SOA first thing in the morning about this, as this is not acceptable workmanship. While watching the clutch pedal being depressed, the amount of movement in the firewall is ungodly as well. Sad to know so many people will end up having this problem at some point.
So the workmanship in intake manifold gaskets that went bad at 46k miles was ok but the welds starting to break out isn't? Ohh good old nasioc.
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Old 10-13-2013, 04:11 PM   #237
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So the workmanship in intake manifold gaskets that went bad at 46k miles was ok but the welds starting to break out isn't? Ohh good old nasioc.
Not sure how you gathered that assumption? Gaskets going bad was not okay. Took the car in and tried to work something out with the dealer, but for the $20 in parts, and 2 hours of labor, it was easier and much less stress to fix it myself.

However, the fix for this is much more involved, and isn't a simple swap of parts. It is a problem on a much larger scale, and is a safety concern more than anything.
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Old 10-13-2013, 04:14 PM   #238
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Not sure how you gathered that assumption? Gaskets going bad was not okay. Took the car in and tried to work something out with the dealer, but for the $20 in parts, and 2 hours of labor, it was easier and much less stress to fix it myself.

However, the fix for this is much more involved, and isn't a simple swap of parts. It is a problem on a much larger scale, and is a safety concern more than anything.
So you tried and they said "we're sorry your vehicle is out of warranty". Did they have to explain to you what that meant or did you understand?
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Why don't you PM me if you want to insult my intelligence and 15 years of turning wrenches. Otherwise, lets try and keep this thread on track?
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Old 10-13-2013, 04:59 PM   #240
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Why don't you PM me if you want to insult my intelligence and 15 years of turning wrenches. Otherwise, lets try and keep this thread on track?
15 years of turning wrenches and you can't remove a dash and weld the bracket back into place? Sounds like you've insulted yourself. It gets tiring seeing people out of warranty moan that they have to pay for a repair. It's just people trying to get stuff for free. That's typical of kids.
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Old 10-13-2013, 05:26 PM   #241
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15 years of turning wrenches and you can't remove a dash and weld the bracket back into place? Sounds like you've insulted yourself. It gets tiring seeing people out of warranty moan that they have to pay for a repair. It's just people trying to get stuff for free. That's typical of kids.
I'm done trying to reason with an idiot.
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Old 10-13-2013, 05:42 PM   #242
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I'm done trying to reason with an idiot.
A 15 year tech can't remove a dash and I'm the idiot.
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I think the issue here with drunkguy is that this seems to have been a problem for a while that has affected/is affecting quite a few a people (be it stock/modified). So what, if his is out of warranty?

Whoever is NOT an idiot should have enough common sense to see that if Subaru has been turning a blind eye on these firewall cracks, then Subaru should own up to it (warranty or not). Plain and simple.

Yes, I work at a dealership, and I have seen/heard all the different stories of people trying to get warranty work after they have gone over, or after they have been negligent with the car.

But come on, let's stop looking at people trying to "make money" on a legitimate claim.
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Old 10-13-2013, 06:22 PM   #244
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I think the issue here with drunkguy is that this seems to have been a problem for a while that has affected/is affecting quite a few a people (be it stock/modified). So what, if his is out of warranty?

Whoever is NOT an idiot should have enough common sense to see that if Subaru has been turning a blind eye on these firewall cracks, then Subaru should own up to it (warranty or not). Plain and simple.

Yes, I work at a dealership, and I have seen/heard all the different stories of people trying to get warranty work after they have gone over, or after they have been negligent with the car.

But come on, let's stop looking at people trying to "make money" on a legitimate claim.
It's not really difficult to understand. If you're out of warranty then you have to pay for it. It's not rocket science. Not sure where you've been but I know subaru hasn't been turning a blind eye to it. I've seen plenty done both under warranty and out of warranty. Maybe people getting denied has to do with people attitudes/excessive mods on the vehicle. Not to mention the fact that 3/4 of the people in this thread can't distinguish the difference between a flex plate squeak and a cracked fire wall.

In drunkguy's (gee what a fitting name) case he is out of warranty. He claims he's a veteran tech. He didn't like his gasket not getting covered so he did it himself. His excuse is the gaskets were cheap and it only took a couple hours. Not sure how long he thinks pulling a dash takes. And there isn't any parts you have to buy, just borrow a friends welder which shouldn't be hard for a 15 year tech.
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Furthermore, if it is such a safety issue and it is his wifes vehicle, he should be fixing it and then seek compensation, not let it go and try and drink the fountain dry claiming it is unsafe.
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Furthermore, if it is such a safety issue and it is his wifes vehicle, he should be fixing it and then seek compensation, not let it go and try and drink the fountain dry claiming it is unsafe.
Maybe he doesn't like his wife?

I know if I cared about ones safety and I complained that something was dangerous I'd take the 2 hours to pull the dash, weld it up, and put the dash back in. Instead a 15 year old tech just wants to complain that it's a safety issue and refuses to repair it. Guess his wife doesn't realize what kind of man she married.
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You need to learn how to read.

The car has 42k, not 46k. Second, I never said I was a tech. Where did you get that?
I work on cars as a hobby, not a job.

Idiots like you troll the internet all day. Every post of yours is negative, not helpful, and show how immature and ignorant you really are.

Warranty has nothing to do with this at all. You automatically lumped me in with all the the idiot teenagers and 20 year olds who mod their cars, blow them up, then whine about it.

My wifes car is 98% stock minus some stereo upgrades. The car is daily driven. You are basically saying it is acceptable after 42k miles, that welds are okay to fail? Possibly causing a serious safety issue?

I hope to god you never design cars, because the mortality rate would go through the roof.

Remember when Toyota started replacing frames on Tacomas and Tundras? They were out of warranty. Would you tell someone that it is tough **** that their truck is out of warranty, and swap the frame themselves? No.. it is called customer service and being an upstanding company to stand behind your product.

My god, I have taken a vehicle in for warranty work 1 time in 18 years, and I'm automatically lumped into someone that wants something for free.

Get over yourself man. I don't understand why you are in this thread anyway. Maybe your dad owns a dealership, and think he is getting ripped off by "kids" like me wanting something for "free".
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Furthermore, if it is such a safety issue and it is his wifes vehicle, he should be fixing it and then seek compensation, not let it go and try and drink the fountain dry claiming it is unsafe.
Funny, it is Sunday, and just found the issue. Haven't contacted anyone about this yet, but I'm letting this go?

Troll on man...
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So you tried and they said "we're sorry your vehicle is out of warranty". Did they have to explain to you what that meant or did you understand?
Well when someone says something like this. ^^^^^^

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Why don't you PM me if you want to insult my intelligence and 15 years of turning wrenches. Otherwise, lets try and keep this thread on track?
And some drunk guy responds with this in reference to what I said anyone who's been in the business would equate time working as a mechanic for a profession as "turning wrenches". Therefore your statement to me was you have been in the business for 15 years so you know how warranty claims work since my question was if they explained to you when your car is covered under warranty or not. That is how I took it anyway. The fact that you tried say that you know how warranty work is dealt with because you've been recreationally turning wrenches in your garage makes your statement a little silly.

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You need to learn how to read.

The car has 42k, not 46k. Second, I never said I was a tech. Where did you get that?
I work on cars as a hobby, not a job.

Idiots like you troll the internet all day. Every post of yours is negative, not helpful, and show how immature and ignorant you really are.

Warranty has nothing to do with this at all. You automatically lumped me in with all the the idiot teenagers and 20 year olds who mod their cars, blow them up, then whine about it.

My wifes car is 98% stock minus some stereo upgrades. The car is daily driven. You are basically saying it is acceptable after 42k miles, that welds are okay to fail? Possibly causing a serious safety issue?

I hope to god you never design cars, because the mortality rate would go through the roof.

Remember when Toyota started replacing frames on Tacomas and Tundras? They were out of warranty. Would you tell someone that it is tough **** that their truck is out of warranty, and swap the frame themselves? No.. it is called customer service and being an upstanding company to stand behind your product.

My god, I have taken a vehicle in for warranty work 1 time in 18 years, and I'm automatically lumped into someone that wants something for free.

Get over yourself man. I don't understand why you are in this thread anyway. Maybe your dad owns a dealership, and think he is getting ripped off by "kids" like me wanting something for "free".
Considering I could fix your car in aprox. two hours and you can't does that make me an idiot or you? Does the fact that you complain it's a big safety issue and you haven't paid to get get it fixed or fix it yourself says a lot about your character. Wife have a good life insurance policy? Crossing your fingers?

Not sure how I haven't been helpful. I stated my dealer has covered the weld under warranty even if it's out. I also stated 3/4 of the people here couldn't tell the difference between a clutch squeak and a firewall squeak. I think it's hilarious when all the kids (and I guess you're old?) come in all pissed off blaming everything on subaru. I originally started in here because I thought it was funny the original poster is trying to get things rolling to get a kick back from lawyers and still deny's it.
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Once again, you don't read. I found the problem today, roughly 3pm this afternoon. The past 5 hours, I'm suppose to magically find someone to fix it or fix it myself?

Whatever man. The car is parked, and she will be driving something else until it is resolved. You make it seem that I've know about this for months and risking her life, but it has been a matter of hours. Try reading before commenting. It might not make you look like such a jackass.

I'm not on this thread to follow some lawsuit to get money. I'm on this thread because it was the largest thread for the issue that was relevant. I'm sharing my experiences to show that there is a problem, and hopefully prevent someone from getting seriously injured by alerting others of the issue.

I'm glad you could fix the issue in 2 hours. I suppose this is your job, which you should be proficient at. Did I say I couldn't fix the issue? Nope.. failure to read. Pursuing the proper channels, and if they deny me, no big deal, I'll fix it myself.
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