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The Big bang/evolution, intelligent design, ect debate
Ask and you shall receieve my good friend. I like these kind of discussion public views and such is interesting. Were all friends here and should have a good rounded discussion. Anyways lets continue on, now with a designated thread.
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11-07-2006, 05:39 PM | #2 |
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Doesn't seem like much of a debate to me. More like personal choice and the right to personal opinion. I think this might be opening up a can of worms.
Maybe we could get all the Evolution people and all the Intelligent Design people and have a Royal Rumble!!! Mike |
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wow brian..... you have a lot of time on your hands! LOL
maybe a little later, but right now, I'm booked busy with work! |
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Intelligence is realizing that you know nothing.
I try not to favor knowledge sought through limited perspective at this early point in the human understanding. With that being said I tend to favor the interpretive revisions of research to the comparatively static displays of organized faith. (personally) What you believe in is far more personal than your public standard of applicable knowledge. Most especially given the many modern variables involved. This is not a burden the public education system is even capable of supporting now or in the near future. It is a moot point. |
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every one should just follow Zeus and the other Greek gods again, those were such good times
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I have the right so say what I want, its a free country and if I want to say that I love Boats. Then I will do so.
You should love boats to.. they have a sharp end that goes forward and birds like to fly beside them.... |
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Personally, I think that public high schools should offer both evolution and creationism for the students that don't wanna go to a church run school yet still belive in their religion. That is a choice the students should make but by doing so you open the argument of since they offer this class why don't they offer x class? and before you know it there are more classes being offerd than there are teachers. I think that there should be options for the students that have religious belifs and go to public schools but by doing so would creat more problems than it would solve in my opinion. This argument has been discussed over and over I'm sure in the ASD and is nothing new to them. The ASD is run as impartially as possible but never-the-less, still run by human beings. They still have their beliefs and try as you can, you can never be totally impartial to your beliefs. So for now, those that want to learn and be tought with religous beliefs have the option to go to one of the religious schools or the "regular" high schools until they can mabey, one day, come up with a solution. Montana |
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in 1951 the catholic church adopted the big bang theory to be in accordance with the bible. the big bang theory is pretty much universally accepted now
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just as a final thought, I assumed you guys already knew this, but I'm probably wrong.
Teaching Creationism in Public schools is agianst the constitution of the United States of America. |
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what other matters should science be interested in besides matters of FACT? US history and almost every other history is backed up by evidence created through years of research, different accounts, and numerous books; Christianity on the other hand is taught to be the ultimate truth and is the word of god. Religion can in no way be taught in a scientific setting because it completely rejects the scientific method; it is taught that the bible is the ultimate truth, the word of god. For example, 45% of Americans believe that the universe is less than 10,000 years old, that certainly isn't based on any sound scientific theory or any facts at all. |
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evolution is a THEORY not SCIENCE. If science could prove it we'd know what the missing link was. Uh it wouldn't be missing. Evolution should not be taught in science anymore then creationalism (sp) Both if you will could be considered nothing more then theory. Now I believe in God and creation which yes requires faith. But to believe in science is to believe in the facts... and there are no facts that prove there is no God. There are no facts that prove there was a "big bang" which IMO is a crack pot answer to the question that can not be answered. If anything science proves that there is no way everything could have simply evolved out of "nothing" Evolution is not a proven fact and therefor should not be taught in schools as truth no more then creation.
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Creationism is an alternate belief system that is found is many religions, Christianity, Hinduism, etc. But I suspect that most folks here might be referring to the Christian creationism belief system. The point was, I think, that the nature of the US is to avoid teaching or supporting one particular religion's views over another's --i.e., "freedom of religion", while still teaching and pushing the boundaries of the mathematics and sciences that a modern technological society depends on. |
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if their only going to teach about creation it should only be about the Greek Gods.
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Have you people never been outside, or looked at nature? Evolution is as evident as sunshine on a clear day. |
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How are you going to call the big bang theory a crack pot answer when you are going to blindly believe (which is what faith is) in the idea that god created the universe and all living things. yeah there are no facts that prove that the big bang is how the universe was created, but i challenge you to find just 1 shred of evidence that the big bang theory never happened. All observational evidence we have today points to the fact that the big bang probably happened. Either god created the universe and made it look like the big bang happened, or thats how the universe was created. In 1951 the catholic church adopted the big bang theory to be in accordance with the bible. |
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Sooooo, for those that believe in creationism, where did the dinosaurs come from? Cause if God just put the bones there in the ground for sh**s and giggles, he has waaaayyyy to much time on his hands.
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dino is not proof of evolution. they are a dead species fossilized by the great flood. According to what we christians are taught, there is no new thing under earth that was not created before the flood. This leaves a lot open and suggests its quite possible technology so far advanced from were we are today existed. We're cloning sheep... who knows what could be done.
You want one shred of proof the big bang did not happen. Show me one shred of proof it did? I'm not catholic and they are not the only religion out there. As for it being a crack pot idea, I stand by it. I have read many evolution books and grew up in a religious setting. I sat in on debates is school on this and evolution always lost. I'm "blindly" believing in creation while you are "blindly" believing in a big bang and that you evolved from the missing link the seporates you from crap eating monkeys. Show me something that proves evolution? Gravity a theory? No its a proven fact. You just can't prove God in his infinite powers created it with the world or if some big bang created it. So you challenge me, I return the challenge. You will not believe the bible so I don't need to mention anything from it. The weight is on you. |
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I can point to many decisions that are still hotly contested in both the individual State and Federal Supreme Courts and ALL are interpretations. You will not find the teaching of creationism in the US Constitution and thus any mention of "Religion and the Federal Government" are up for interpretation. If a law maker ever wanted to make an Amendment to the US Constitution outlining this (and thus not open to interpretation) it would take years and "Good Luck" getting it to every pass. You bring up a point that is regularly addressed by Americans however you are mistaken. I would encourage everyone (this is not a knock on you Danfd) to pick up a copy of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights at Barnes and Nobles (only $4.98). Regardless of political party you agree with it is a great resource. |
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you've clearly never heard of seperation of church and state?
on another note, dinos fossilized by a flood? I honestly hope this is a joke that just doesnt translate into text... did Noah just not like the dinosuars or what? You want proof of evolution, dont go trying to look for "the missing link" which basically has been found in the earlier species of human, look no farther than animals in your back yard... have you never seen a moth that has EVOLVED to look like it has a large eye, or a humming bird that has EVOLVED to be able to get it's food from flowers, the facts are right in front of you. Gravity IS a theory, look it up, as is 99.9% of all science. Next yer gonna try and tell me that the world is only 6 thousand years old and that it's the center of the universe... Last edited by Danfd; 11-08-2006 at 03:56 AM. |
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