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Old 08-18-2002, 10:19 PM   #1
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Thumbs up QUES: on these 2 Eng and the intake, Confuse!

Since i was try to do some reseach on the injen CAI system...
then i END up these 2 pic's.

First: I believe they both are RS but maybe i'm on crack or something! But can you guys tell on this pic shown is the same type of Engine! cuz the way i see it! they is something or some parts are not the same location!

Second: Is they have different type/model/or depand on which year of Injen CAI for RS/non RS!
cuz the way i look at the bent on the tube, they are both different and the brackets that holds the intake is different location also!

Educate me guys
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Old 08-18-2002, 11:39 PM   #2
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the top image is the intake they offer for the rs's model years 2000 and up. 2000 and up use the manifold air pressure sensor which isn't located in the intake.

the second image is a picture of a 98 (my car). but , the 98 and 99 use the same intake. the black electronic part close to the hole in the engine bay is the mass airflow sensor, which is used in the 98 and 99 but not in the latter iterations of the RS. the actual types of maf on the 98 and 99 are different for both the years but they are in the same housing and can be treated relatively the same. though 99 mafs tend to be more fragile due to their design.



so yes, know which one you are buying and that there are some differences.
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Old 08-18-2002, 11:48 PM   #3
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the top image is the intake they offer for the rs's model years 2000 and up. 2000 and up use the manifold air pressure sensor which isn't located in the intake.

the second image is a picture of a 98 (my car). but , the 98 and 99 use the same intake. the black electronic part close to the hole in the engine bay is the mass airflow sensor, which is used in the 98 and 99 but not in the latter iterations of the RS. the actual types of maf on the 98 and 99 are different for both the years but they are in the same housing and can be treated relatively the same. though 99 mafs tend to be more fragile due to their design.



so yes, know which one you are buying and that there are some differences.
Now i learn something

Thanks alot
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Old 08-18-2002, 11:52 PM   #4
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I'm assuming when you said, "Educate me guys," you meant that you wanted someone to teach you how to write in English. Unfortunately, I live all the way across the country, so I can't help you with that. However, here are a couple of pointers to start out with:

(1) The symbol "!" is an exclamation point. The exclamation point is used to convey a sense of excitement or urgency. It is not used for general statements - for that we use what is called a period. It looks like this "." .

(2) The symbol "?" is a question mark. The question mark is used to denote questions. Pretty crazy, huh? Note that the question mark and the exclamation point are different shapes and are not to be used in place of each other.

(3) "Is", "do", and "are" are different words and are also not to used in place of each other.

Allow me to demonstrate some of these rules (and other rules that I don't have time to go into right now) in action.

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Since i was try to do some reseach on the injen CAI system...
then i END up these 2 pic's.
Translation:
While I [note the proper use of capitalization] was trying to do some research [note the spelling] the Injen [again, note the use of capitalization, in this case for the use of a proper pronoun] CAI system I found these two pictures [note the lack of random capitalization of words located in the middle of the sentence].

Quote:
First: I believe they both are RS but maybe i'm on crack or something! But can you guys tell on this pic shown is the same type of Engine! cuz the way i see it! they is something or some parts are not the same location!
Translation:
First: I believe they both are RS's [note the plural of RS, since we're referring to more than one] but maybe I'm [again, proper capitalization] on crack or something. [note the period rather than the exclamation point] Is the same type of engine shown in the two pictures below? [note the re-arrangement of the sentence so that it is actually comprehensible] It looks to me like some of the parts are not in the same location. [again, note the re-arrangement of the sentence, in addition to the use of proper punctuation]

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Second: Is they have different type/model/or depand on which year of Injen CAI for RS/non RS!
cuz the way i look at the bent on the tube, they are both different and the brackets that holds the intake is different location also!
Translation:
Second: Do [see rule #3 above] they have different models of the Injen CAI depending on the model year of the RS? [note that I'm getting bored with my own jokes] The tubes are definitely bent differently, and the mounting brackets are also different. [etc etc etc]

Does that help at all?

What? You say you didn't want a grammar lesson, you were actually trying to learn something here? Ohhhhh.....

Well, to answer your questions, yes, there are a couple of different designs of the Injen CAI kit. The bottom picture is designed for the '98 and '99 cars, which had a MAF sensor. Note the black plastic thing connected to the intake tubing just inside the engine compartment. The '00+ 2.5RS's did not use a MAF sensor, hence there is no need for the tubing to terminate short of the fender well.

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Old 08-18-2002, 11:57 PM   #5
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Old 08-19-2002, 12:03 AM   #6
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That second pic is of Gary (gg)'s engine bay. It's a 98RS.
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Old 08-19-2002, 12:07 AM   #7
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Hell, makes me wish I paid attention in High School!

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Old 08-19-2002, 12:12 AM   #8
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I'm assuming when you said, "Educate me guys," you meant that you wanted someone to teach you how to write in English. Unfortunately, I live all the way across the country, so I can't help you with that. However, here are a couple of pointers to start out with:

(1) The symbol "!" is an exclamation point. The exclamation point is used to convey a sense of excitement or urgency. It is not used for general statements - for that we use what is called a period. It looks like this "." .

(2) The symbol "?" is a question mark. The question mark is used to denote questions. Pretty crazy, huh? Note that the question mark and the exclamation point are different shapes and are not to be used in place of each other.

(3) "Is", "do", and "are" are different words and are also not to used in place of each other.

Allow me to demonstrate some of these rules (and other rules that I don't have time to go into right now) in action.



Translation:
While I [note the proper use of capitalization] was trying to do some research [note the spelling] the Injen [again, note the use of capitalization, in this case for the use of a proper pronoun] CAI system I found these two pictures [note the lack of random capitalization of words located in the middle of the sentence].



Translation:
First: I believe they both are RS's [note the plural of RS, since we're referring to more than one] but maybe I'm [again, proper capitalization] on crack or something. [note the period rather than the exclamation point] Is the same type of engine shown in the two pictures below? [note the re-arrangement of the sentence so that it is actually comprehensible] It looks to me like some of the parts are not in the same location. [again, note the re-arrangement of the sentence, in addition to the use of proper punctuation]


Translation:
Second: Do [see rule #3 above] they have different models of the Injen CAI depending on the model year of the RS? [note that I'm getting bored with my own jokes] The tubes are definitely bent differently, and the mounting brackets are also different. [etc etc etc]

Does that help at all?

What? You say you didn't want a grammar lesson, you were actually trying to learn something here? Ohhhhh.....

Well, to answer your questions, yes, there are a couple of different designs of the Injen CAI kit. The bottom picture is designed for the '98 and '99 cars, which had a MAF sensor. Note the black plastic thing connected to the intake tubing just inside the engine compartment. The '00+ 2.5RS's did not use a MAF sensor, hence there is no need for the tubing to terminate short of the fender well.

Pat Olsen
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And you thought that high school English classes were a waste....
Yea i know my engish is suck! Well nobody is perfect!
and i never attend any school when i was young...
but i don't know why i end up being Motherboard Production Engineer and make 75K a year right now.
weird huh.
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Old 08-19-2002, 12:18 AM   #9
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err, yea, sorry, not mine.


my car is black =).

i somehow assumed that that pic came from injen's website.
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Old 08-19-2002, 12:21 AM   #10
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for clarification, the termination of the tube on the map version versus the maf version is quite insignificant in describing the intake itself; both versions of the complete intake are made up of two pieces of pipe. they both draw air from the same place however instead of a plain old hose clamp as on the map version, there's a hose clamp, a maf sensor, and another hose clamp for the maf version.
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Old 08-19-2002, 11:50 PM   #11
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Yea i know my engish is suck! Well nobody is perfect!
and i never attend any school when i was young...
but i don't know why i end up being Motherboard Production Engineer and make 75K a year right now.
weird huh.
A Motherboard Production Engineer (three capitals)!

Let me guess...

1. You screwed up too many assemblies (kept picking up wrong end of soldering iron?) and got moved to a job where you could do less harm

2. Tried a career in Purchasing, but those quantity buys of 8088's failed to impress management

3. The Senior Sanitation Engineer position was taken by someone more qualified

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Old 08-20-2002, 12:05 AM   #12
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A Motherboard Production Engineer (three capitals)!

Let me guess...

1. You screwed up too many assemblies (kept picking up wrong end of soldering iron?) and got moved to a job where you could do less harm

2. Tried a career in Purchasing, but those quantity buys of 8088's failed to impress management

3. The Senior Sanitation Engineer position was taken by someone more qualified

HaHa Every funny m~fk
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Old 08-20-2002, 08:53 AM   #13
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Hey Patrick, kenzo...:monkey:

english is obviously this man's second language, so please get off his back about his english. he came on here asking a question about these intakes and you smash him because of his language skills. i'm so sick of seeing people post completely unrelated, ridiculous things like this. what the hell is wrong with this board?! my god, this sort of thing happens on every other post.

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Old 08-20-2002, 10:04 AM   #14
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Question back to subject question..

How bad is the low end loss with the Injen?

I have heard both great and no so good reviews of it..
So i think the best way to tell is if the people that have it can give an opinion... I have the Ganzflow but im lookin for more gains...

Thanks...
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Old 08-20-2002, 12:42 PM   #15
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Hey Patrick, kenzo...:monkey:

english is obviously this man's second language, so please get off his back about his english. he came on here asking a question about these intakes and you smash him because of his language skills. i'm so sick of seeing people post completely unrelated, ridiculous things like this. what the hell is wrong with this board?! my god, this sort of thing happens on every other post.

-shu
Welcome to America. It's called freedom of speech. Which the founding fathers thought it was going to be English.

"Weez da peoples of da unites state, in orduh to form a mo pefect union, establish justiz, inshur domestik trancuilty, provide for da commin diffence, prommote the general welfare, and sekure da blessing of liborty to us and our posterity, do ordaine and establish this Constitution for da unites states of America."

It just doesn't sound right.

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Old 08-20-2002, 01:19 PM   #16
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KC is cool

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Old 08-20-2002, 03:02 PM   #17
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Hey Patrick, kenzo...:monkey:

english is obviously this man's second language, so please get off his back about his english. he came on here asking a question about these intakes and you smash him because of his language skills. i'm so sick of seeing people post completely unrelated, ridiculous things like this. what the hell is wrong with this board?! my god, this sort of thing happens on every other post.

-shu
Rather ironic that the guy who is complaining about people making unrelated posts.... made an unrelated post! Note that after giving SonofSam a hard time I actually contributed to the thread by answering his questions about the two intakes pictured.

As for using proper English, all I ask is that people type something that makes sense. It doesn't have to be in textbook Queen's English - I sure as hell don't use textbook Queen's English - it just needs to make sense. I've never met SonofSam, but I'd be willing to bet he speaks English just fine. So why can't he type what he would normally say? It ain't that hard!

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Old 08-20-2002, 03:29 PM   #18
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Ahh, the i-club just keeps getting better....

Patrick, I've been around since the beginning as have you....I would have never thought that you'd be one of the guys to post something like that.

It's a car club, not english.

(should that be a capital "e"?)

And I'll contribute something to the topic. I was gonna say that one pic looks like only the width was re-sized, that makes them look very different.
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