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01-10-2013, 12:57 PM | #1 | |
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GAO Tells Congress To Choose Between A Federal Tax On Miles Driven Or Raise Gas Taxes
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01-10-2013, 01:07 PM | #2 |
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way overdue.
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01-10-2013, 07:09 PM | #3 |
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01-10-2013, 01:15 PM | #4 |
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Eh, either way.
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01-10-2013, 01:37 PM | #5 |
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Although I like the idea of tax per mile, do we have the infrastructure to track this? It seems like raising the gas tax achieves the similar results, and doesn't require money spent on tracking etc. I can only imagine disputes of whether one did travel the X miles or not.
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01-10-2013, 02:34 PM | #6 |
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Mileage tax! YES! If it costs the same tax to drive a prius as it does to drive a Hummer, then the incentive to buy fuel efficient cars diminishes! GENIUS!
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01-11-2013, 07:17 AM | #7 | |
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The penalty for driving a gas hog still exists in your huge weekly gas bill of which a small portion is actually tax. |
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01-10-2013, 02:35 PM | #8 |
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So we force people to buy fuel efficient cars and give tax money away to promote it.
Then the imporoved fuel economy makes for a sharp decline in road tax funds, so we need more taxes to cover that. We could just mandate lower MPG requirements and generate far more tax money, cars would get cheaper, and taxes could be lowered. HAHAAHAHAHA It is so simple seriously though, you would have to exempt 18 wheelers, as they are the backbone of the entire country. They are the only reason we have stores full of stuff to eat and consume. taxing them per mile is just a way to make everything cost a CRAP load more. These are the consequences of government meddling, yet again, they have unintended consequences. How about mandates to make cars smaller and lighter...It would make the roads last longer. |
01-10-2013, 03:29 PM | #9 | |
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mileage tax is silly, unless you do it based on annual odometer inspections. |
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01-10-2013, 08:02 PM | #10 | |
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We'd just see an onslaught of diesels in the US and a corresponding decrease in tax revenue.
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I'm not sure how I feel about an increase in the gas tax. What I spend in fuel is a very low portion of my yearly income, so it really wouldn't impact me much at all. I also have a very short commute to work. I'd like to see some sort of data showing commute distance to income. My gut feeling is that the working poor are probably more likely to commute a long distance. The working poor is also the least able to change their situation to reduce their fuel usage (move closer to work, buy a more fuel efficient car, etc.) Last edited by quentinberg007; 01-10-2013 at 08:10 PM. |
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01-10-2013, 08:37 PM | #11 |
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What happens if you live in a city with a lot of uncontrolled/unplanned growth that has separated the good jobs and good living? In ABQ, you pretty much have to live north side to get good living and get away from all the hispanic gang bangers, but all the good corporate jobs are plopped right in the middle of their ****. So in turn, I have a ~15mi/45 minute commute daily.
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01-10-2013, 09:35 PM | #12 |
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I dont like these 2 choices.It cuts into my cost of living. The gov cant think up any other ways to comeup with the money? How about we let companies sponsor some of the roads like what texas did with highway 130? Let them paint ads on the roads. I dont care as long as it pays the bill.
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Answer is simple. Index the fuel tax to inflation so we don't have this silly fight every few years or have to raid social security funds to pay for road maintenance. |
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A train leaves on a certain schedule. You are adding the extra step of loading all of your goods onto a cargo container, driving it to the trainyard, offloading onto the train. Wait for the train to leave towards it's destination. At every stop the train will offload and reload some cargo. Trains have to slow down for certain intersections. Then when it gets to your nearby train stop(which would be hours of driving in the midwest). You have to get your cargo offloaded. Then drive to your destination and offload your cargo like normal. An 18 wheeler is different. First truck drivers usually keep 2 log books and fudge them as needed to make their destination in record time. They can leave and travel as soon as their cargo is loaded. They have to stop every 150 miles for a 15 minute break and check their cargo(flatbed trailer). They have to take so many sleep breaks if it's a long haul. I've been all over the country for my job, i work with truck drivers all the time to move my goods. While a train has its uses and in some circumstances can be better for transporting if your product doesn't need to ship very fast, and you're located relatively close to a train depot. But i really don't see anyone investing trillions of dollars into buying land, tearing down houses, and laying down tracks in the vast open united states. Trucking will continue because time is money. America is one of the worst countries for being too fast paced in a "want it now" impatient society. If you tax per mile, if you raise the price of fuel, if you tax by vehicle size and weight, or per axle, trucking will continue. They'll just charge higher fees and as an end result your groceries as well as other good will go way up in price. Keep in mind that about 65% of our produce and seafood is imported into the U.S. So that all has to be trucked in from an east coast or west coast port to you local city in a very timely manner(due to spoiling). Last edited by gggplaya; 01-11-2013 at 01:50 PM. |
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It would have to be an equation of sorts..
Mileage x GVW x TAX RATE = $$$$ tax Or something...that would promote lighter vehicles in a way. |
01-10-2013, 04:18 PM | #17 |
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Why is it that all the wrong stuff goes away from service based rates... Internet (see data caps on phone plans) and now roads? Will we eventually have everything based on usage like this?
Lets be real. What this will ultimately do is result in the same taxes currently for people who drive like <5000 miles a year and raise it for anyone over that, basically making road trips even MORE uncompetitive with flying due to the increased rate of vehicle repairs, your time, and now an increased cost for usage. And yes scrappy, 100% agree that govt meddling once again sucks it up. People like mr. NY, NY up at the top will love the govt forcing people to fit into their idea of a perfect little bubble world until they start to disagree with the shape of that bubble and are forced to be part of it. I hate that people can't stand that if they don't have the power to do something on their own and if no one who can wants to help them, then whatever it is they want done just shouldn't happen. It's like there's no such thing as having a disagreement and people having to deal with it never getting resolved. SOMEONE has to exercise their power to force a resolution. Last edited by WRXHillClimb; 01-10-2013 at 04:24 PM. |
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01-10-2013, 10:26 PM | #20 |
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But it's so politically unpopular. Lets tax commercial vehicles only, then people will get mad at greedy corporations for raising prices of goods. Politicians re-elected for fighting to keep gas prices absurdly low
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I really wish hot air balloons were a viable mode of transportation for me. I could fill it up with all the hot air from Washington and thus float over all the bull **** the politicians fling my way.
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01-10-2013, 08:21 PM | #22 |
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I wish there was a like button so I could like Quentin's post.
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01-10-2013, 08:32 PM | #23 |
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The 6th word in the article was "should" indicating that this is a suggestion and not an order as the headline suggests.
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01-10-2013, 08:34 PM | #24 |
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Yeah, there is never going to be a brilliant solution coming from anywhere in Washington DC. They think too short term and are usually interested in how policies will get them reelected..
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01-10-2013, 09:50 PM | #25 |
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If only they used all the funds collected for roads on the roads now. They could start there.
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