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06-04-2012, 01:09 PM | #1201 |
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I have about 15k miles on my 2012 automatic now, 16" wheels with the Yokohama AVID S30Bs. I consistently get 30+ mpg. That includes lots of driving up the mountains in Tahoe and around Santa Cruz.
It used to be about 31mpg, but I've since added a cargo box which tends to bring it closer to 30mpg.
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06-04-2012, 02:11 PM | #1202 | |
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Hold on. Subarus biggest selling point with this car was fuel economy. If my Outback is getting the mpg per the window sticker then I expect the Impreza to do the same plus. Perhaps I need more mileage, but I'm getting the feeling unless you drive like grandma and have some miles on the car and have summer fuel that 27/36 is not going to happen |
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06-04-2012, 02:39 PM | #1203 |
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Yes this is true, but this is true with most cars out there. To get the EPA estimates you need to be on your best behavior with your right foot. The only manufacturer that has real world mileage closer to EPA is Honda with a few of their cars.
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06-04-2012, 02:40 PM | #1204 | |
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If you look at your window sticker that shows the approved EPA numbers, you will see printed right below the CITY MPG number (25 for my car) is printed 'Expected Range for most drivers 20 to 30 MPG' Until the engine and drivetrain are broken in (at least 3,000 miles) you have no idea what your number will actually be in your normal driving. In any case it is likely going to fall within the range printed on the window sticker, meeting the EPA expected fuel economy. Overall, if you look at Fuelly which has some data accumulated, most 2012 Impreza owners are hitting the combined average fuel economy expected for the car. Based upon this forum, and the recurring posts about City MPG figures, here is a note: Potential owners who want a car for city driving exclusively, unless you need AWD or don't care that you will be hitting the lower end of the expected City mpg range, this car probably isn't the best choice for your situation. *********** Obviously there was no way to know this prior to some drivers accumulating real world experience. For short city commutes, hybrids rule. Last edited by Zeeper; 06-04-2012 at 02:57 PM. |
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06-04-2012, 03:17 PM | #1205 |
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Just pulled out the window sticker for my car.
City MPG 27 (Expected range for most drivers 22 to 32 MPG) Highway MPG 36 (Expected range for most drivers 29 to 43 MPG) The MPGs that I am seeing fall within these ranges - but not at the high ends. It's still much better than my 2008 4AT OBS by 5/6 MPG, the way that I drive and performance is pretty close even though there is .5l less displacement. Air on the new 2012 works much better. Agree with Zeeper's Highlight, above.... |
06-04-2012, 03:25 PM | #1206 |
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Well the general point of people's complaints is that no one really falls into the high ranges
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06-04-2012, 03:27 PM | #1207 | |
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06-04-2012, 03:28 PM | #1208 |
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06-04-2012, 03:31 PM | #1209 |
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At one point yesterday, about 3 miles out from a fill-up and trip meter reset, my MPG showed 47.1. Of course, that didn't last long, but it was fun to see. I'd like to hit 50 MPG, even if only for 10 seconds. I think I can do it if I can follow a tanker truck and fill up while driving. That will eliminate that pesky gas guzzling while accelerating from a dead stop.
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06-04-2012, 06:33 PM | #1210 |
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Interesting the range of numbers that it can fall in and still CYA Subaru. I understand and thanks to all that have posted. I have one observation - How can my 10 Outback wagon rated at 22 city be getting 23 or 22.8 city only, which is on the high end, that has more weight , a older EJ engine with the 1st gen CVT?
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06-04-2012, 06:43 PM | #1211 | |
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* noting that my odometer was almost 4% less than what googlemaps suggested and my computer readout was also a smidge less than that which i calculated by hand. (which implies that that 42.6 was in the 44mpg range) |
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06-04-2012, 07:54 PM | #1212 | |
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They are either generated directly by the EPA or via an EPA certified test. They have nothing specifically to do with Subaru as a company. Every new car by every manufacturer sold in the United States has a window sticker with the same exact info specific to the vehicle (mandated by the EPA) printed in the middle of the label. Don't blame Subaru or think they are trying to pull one over on you -- read your label a bit more carefully. As far as the Subaru Impreza vs your other Subaru, I was under the impression you haven't even broken in the motor and drivetrain in your new car. Maybe I'm wrong, let me know. My MPG tracking tells me that MPG pre-3,000 miles on the odometer is not a good predictor of future MPG. Last edited by Zeeper; 06-04-2012 at 08:25 PM. |
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06-04-2012, 08:21 PM | #1213 |
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I wish fuelly had a trend graph. I'm certain the 2012 impreza category has been ticking up. Didn't it start at around 26? It's over 27 now.
That pretty much mirrors my experience and I just crossed 4k yesterday. |
06-04-2012, 08:44 PM | #1214 | |
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Highway numbers are easily tested, since it's not hard to go out on the highway and set the cruise control. There's naturally a lot more variance in city numbers. The fact that you're in a noisy, dirty place with no trees and lots of bricks means nothing to your car. It's all about driving conditions. I could be hitting miles of timed green lights in top gear at 30 MPH on a cool spring night, or stuck in a traffic jam at noon with the A/C cranking. Both situations are "city". Don't blame Subaru. Look at how the EPA performs its city test. |
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06-04-2012, 08:57 PM | #1215 |
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Same cars here. My wife drives the CVT OB like a saint, and got a high of 28 commuting. I've got 33.6, and this tank looks like I'll get 35. The CVT Imp accellerates twice as fast as the OB, though!
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06-04-2012, 10:14 PM | #1216 |
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I'm kinda done worrying about the mpg (not that it was necessarily a worry before...our 10 tank running average is just over 30) now that we've got a much more economical car to use for most of our driving, but I have to say that you've basically summed the problem up in one concise sentence.
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06-04-2012, 10:33 PM | #1217 | |||
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I will say though that you should read what the EPA defines as a "city drive" because you'd be surprised that what most of us consider city driving doesn't fit into that definition. Quote:
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06-04-2012, 11:28 PM | #1218 |
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And you have AWD! So how are your numbers running these days? IIRC you are a proponent for the TSB flashes you received. Do you feel they gave you better MPG numbers? I personally don't mind the way the car drives now. For descending hills, I am able to ever-so-gently tap the accelerator and get the car to coast without downshifting. So this begs the questions, do I (should I) get the flashes?
BTW, I am not getting the best mileage myself. I have only bumped into the 30 MPG range twice out of 15 fills. 28.3 average since I got it. Not really complaining about it, but I'm just like "meh", ya know? |
06-05-2012, 12:20 AM | #1219 | |
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consumption tests with the dealer at 7,500 oil change if need be... but if I keep seeing closer to 30 I'll be happy with that. PS. I had AWD before this but only with 16-17 MPG mixed in her final days, so even at my lowest #s I'm still saving gas $ & love this car otherwise. Last edited by SleepNMnky; 06-05-2012 at 12:31 AM. |
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06-05-2012, 12:32 AM | #1220 |
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Aside from the MPG's, do you feel that it improves the driveability?
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06-05-2012, 12:39 AM | #1221 | |
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Seaflipper mentioned feeling that way too. @G-Omaha - what are your thoughts? |
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06-05-2012, 07:22 AM | #1222 |
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For those getting Lower than expected MPG numbers. Is the gas you use in your area E10?
Is 100% real gas (NO Ethanol) Available? If so Try using that. Where I live now in Central Texas Everything is at least E-10. When I lived in Wisconsin There were a few places that where selling 100% real gas NO Ethanol. I got better gas mileage with the NON-Ethanol gas and with the E-10 I saw at least at 10% hit on my mpg. Granted this was all long before my Subaru, but I have been tracking fuel economy in my other cars for years. And this has been true with all my vehicles. |
06-05-2012, 07:39 AM | #1223 | |
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In other words, you may not be hitting the 'high ranges' in your car, but the average driver is. Someone contemplating buying the impreza can freely browse the accumulated data on Fuelly to see what the average driver is experiencing. It isn't purely scientific (self-reporting), but it is more valid than the few people complaining about their mileage here (particularly because most of those complaining are also posting their numbers on Fuelly). Fuelly shows a combined average of 27.8 mpg (a number that has been climbing over time). This number is skewed by a few high reporting and a few low reporting users, however the majority of cars on Fuelly fall between 26-30mpg, with 29-30mpg showing the most vehicles overall. That pretty much matches the EPA Combined Fuel Economy printed on the widow sticker. The math does not agree with your personal experience. Last edited by Zeeper; 06-05-2012 at 08:01 AM. |
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06-05-2012, 09:18 AM | #1224 |
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So I just finished a tank & a half. Trip computer shows an average mpg of 32.4 with 40/60 city/highway driving. So even with the computer overestimating 1-1.5 mpg, I'm still doing 31.4-30.9 mpg. Pretty good considering I tend to have fun with the car every now & then.
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06-05-2012, 11:27 AM | #1225 | |
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I've never seen any difference with E10 or 100% gas. MN mandates E10 year round and like you say WI can have the 100%. I fill up with whatever is cheapest which is usually the MN gas due to less taxes. But the 100% gas doesn't give me any noticable better MPG since tracking it with 3 cars over the past 15+ years. 100% ethanol has about 35% less energy than gas. 76000BTU vs 114000BTU. So E10 would have roughly 110000 BTU or 3% less energy than 100% gas. I doubt the slightly less energy equates to less MPG since most energy in the engine is wasted as heat anyway. Current MPG on this tank is 39.0 according to the car with roughly 75% highway miles and some AC. |
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