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12-26-2012, 12:37 PM | #1 | |
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Mitsubishi Mirage Confirmed for U.S. in Fall 2013
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12-26-2012, 02:48 PM | #2 |
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Really? A 79hp Mirage? This is all you come up with? This is suppose to keep Mitsu afloat? Sell off the rights/tech for the EVO to Mazda and just go under already...
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12-26-2012, 04:39 PM | #3 |
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12-26-2012, 06:48 PM | #4 |
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Mitsubishis biggest problem boils down to pricing. Why buy a Mitsu when you can get a competitor for a significant amount less? The design of the cars is not offensive (granted, the Eclipse and Galant are very old designs) it's just price and in some cases lack of choice (Lancer Ralliart sportback is automatic only) Again though, why buy a Ralliart Sportback when you can get a WRX hatch for less? Why buy an Evo when an STI is available for a good bit less? Why buy an Outlander when a Forester / Rav4 etc... are less? Why buy a mIev at all? ooops, I actually like that one (seriously, huge amount of space inside, I was shocked! (pun almost intended))
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12-27-2012, 11:21 AM | #6 |
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12-27-2012, 12:41 PM | #7 | |
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I gotta say the Outlander Sport SE is a very nice package. For something in the low 20s MSRP, you get a CVT + AWD with lots of standard features (HID headlights, fog lights, heated front seats, LED tails, full trip computer). Even comes standard with 10 year powertrain warranty but who knows if the company will be around that long. With the discounts they are offering on brand new 2012 units, you can pick up one of these up for less than $20k easily. Hard to argue the overall package for the money. |
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12-28-2012, 05:35 PM | #9 |
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I had an STi and then went to an Evo X. The X was cheaper, but it felt like I was driving (I said driving, not sitting stationary staring at a dash board) a car that was $20K more than the STi I had. I also just got an Outlander Sport and have been very happy. I have to say I've had zero build issues and haven't had one rattle in either car. I agree their line up is stale (with the exception of the Outlander Sport), but they do make a reliable well-built car.
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12-31-2012, 03:05 AM | #10 | ||
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No doubt that the Evo is the better performing car - but the number of people racing these cars on the weekend does not make for a big enough market at this price range. Reminds me of my experience walking around the auto show last year - Mitsu salesguy calls me over to check out the Evo X. I say: "Yeah, they're awesome cars but I already bought a new car last year". He asks: "What did you buy?" I say: " I got an STI" He rolls his eyes and says: "Why did you waste your money on that, the Evo X is faster!" I say: "Yeah, but it won't hold me and my wife and our luggage. Real life, man..." |
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You know the funny thing about your statement is that I bought my Evo to have a practical car...after first buying a wrx and being unsatisified with the performance. If I did not have kids, I would be in a Porsche or something similar. That said, I think the new WRX interior is more comfortable in that there is more sound deadening and the plastics feel better. The seats themselves in the Evo are awesome but I had to have the leather package installed after purchase because I knew the cloth would not last long...the cloth on the WRX was better. I do like the steering wheel better on the Evo...the Navi is much better in the Evo. Really, if you add some sound deadening to help with cabin noise and maybe cover the plastics with suede like material, the quality would be pretty much addressed. Performance? Very good from stock. When you add good coilovers and and rear sway it is pretty much awesome. Big gains with limited engine mods....although the new ones have crap cams (so don't buy 2012 or newer). Had there been an STI 4 door I could have been tempted to buy that but been very happy with the Evo as I was with the DSMs I had previously and my Eclipse I currently have (300+whp with stock internals). I sometimes wonder if I had bought a 06-07 STi if I would not be equally happy but there are a lot of nice cars out there. |
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01-02-2013, 01:28 PM | #13 | |
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I think Mitsu markets their good vehicles poorly (maybe with the exception of the Outlander Sport). But the Evo (I guess you could say the same for STI) is less than a fully loaded Accord V6 Coupe. I think they believe specialty vehicles are for those "in the know" vs being a mainstream vehicle in their line up. I think Mitsus other problem here is that they do well in other countries with their line up and try to apply it here. It seems the Lancer is the official car of Canada, and their small car line up does well in many other countries. Seems like they would need to focus on something that is big and fast to do well here. |
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01-02-2013, 01:43 PM | #14 | |
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12-27-2012, 01:00 PM | #15 |
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i agree. the outlander sport as well as the regular lancer are nice decent cars for now, but soon outdated. they need to rid of the rest of the lineup and update the galant.
the outlander sport and lancer are avaliable with the evo's dumb'd down version of its awd so i think they are pretty decent. i think they have 3 diffs. Last edited by naimouasta; 12-27-2012 at 01:06 PM. |
12-27-2012, 03:41 PM | #16 |
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It would be my luck to buy a mitsu, who would go out of business but would say "you can get all your warranty work done through Suzuki"
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12-28-2012, 12:12 PM | #17 |
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If Kia/Hyundai can be profitable so can Mitsu. Amazing what some head roiling and getting good ideas and talent can so. Subaru discovered this also.
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12-28-2012, 04:50 PM | #18 |
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I actually think a Colt Ralliart at the right price could move a fair bit of units to those that want sporty that is really frugal. I personally don't consider compacts like the ST, WRX, MS3 to be economical cars as they all get average to poor overall fuel economy.
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12-28-2012, 10:44 PM | #19 | |
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12-31-2012, 01:51 AM | #20 |
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My wife is close to hitting 90k on her 2007 Outlander and I feel the 5/10 year warranty has been a waste as we haven't had a single issue. The interior has a few rattles but mechanically the car is a rock. My 2008 EVO felt much more solid and better put together than my 2013 STI. It's a shame Mitsubishi can't put out some more exciting cars as I feel they make a pretty solid car.
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12-31-2012, 12:43 PM | #21 |
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I think if mitsu pulled together their interior and made it more pleasing their cars would sell better as well. I find it ironic that the lancer and evo have identical interiors. Granted your buying the evo for performance, but it shouldnt share the same interior.
I think mitsu needs to take a look back to the 90's and revive some of their cars. The galant from te 90's-early 2000's look good. I think they should also offer the eclipse in a fwd and awd turbo option (gst,gsx), and give it 250hp. You could also entertain the idea of a 3000gt (with vr4 option). Make the 3000gt compete with a 370z and you could probably move a decent amount of car. People like seeing new models and complete make overs of existing cars. Mitsu basically needs a good overhaul of its model line ups. |
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01-02-2013, 12:00 PM | #23 | ||
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They'd really have to make something else in their lineup that is VERY good while being quite different from the Evo. They tried that with the 2000+ Eclipses (putting a V-6 in it and no longer offering AWD), but that didn't really work out so well, even though it was likely less expensive to produce than the previous model's GS-T and GSX variants. But unfortunately, when it comes to performance, their turbocharged fours are the best things that they have going for them, but again, two different Mitsubishis having them would eat away from the other car's sales a bit, unless the coupe were to be just RWD (or primarily offered with it) and look really good too. |
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01-02-2013, 01:37 PM | #24 |
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I definitely understand what your saying, but disagree to some extent. If I was in charge of mitsu i'd release the following line up: -Eclipse gst and gsx both with 245hp. The gsx would be on par with the wrx in terms of performance but leaving weak ends so it doesn't compete with the evo (brakes, tranny, etc) -3000gt vr4. With the old 3000gt being more of a sport touring car, I would do the same again. Give it 350-400hp, make it more of a "premium" car that older men want to cruise the freeways the mountain passes. It wouldnt handle like the evo or compete in the same category. It would hopefully capture a older demographic. It would also have a higher price tag. -Evo. This could be left as it, as its a self sustaining car. It has its followers and those that bounce between subaru and mitsu. Galant- Just make this car your nicer eco car. Use this model to capture the accord and camry crowd Mirage- this is your bottom of the barrel car. It would compete with carolla and similar. Mitsubishi would need to hire a new marketing team and refresh the company in my opinion. I would highly structure my commercials after the extremely successful Dominos commercials. If they can come on tv and say we realized our companies quality sucked, and we fixed the problems, come in and test drive the new mitsu.... I think you would put mitsu back on track. Something like "mitsubishi... reborn". The problem with doing this, is of course R&D for new cars takes a lot f money. Money that mitsubishi probably doesnt have. But if they did, I really think they could emerge as a really powerful player in the car industry. Last edited by godfather2112; 01-02-2013 at 01:48 PM. |
01-02-2013, 01:54 PM | #25 | |
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Mitsubishi as a whole has the cake to do it, but they likely won't want to invest too much money, so we're likely not going to see any new performance engines outside of variations of the 4B11. I'd vote against them making a 3000GT successor at this time (since it would likely be well over $50,000, and spending that kind of money on a Mitsubishi isn't going to be well-received until they turn their overall image around), but a more performance-oriented Eclipse would be cool. That brings me to my next thought... With the success of Toyota and Subaru working together to make the GT86/FR-S/BRZ, I always wondered what it would be like if Honda and Mitsubishi worked on something together, both being competitors with Toyota and Subaru, respectively. Honda's current lineup is pretty depressing from an enthusiast viewpoint, but they did make the NSX and S2000 before. So maybe people from those teams can do some work with Mitsubishi (who obviously has a pretty good grasp on making turbocharged four-cylinders and AWD) and put their ideas together. Perhaps a Honda-branded coupe (rather than Acura, which seems to cater more toward luxury anyway) and then a Mitsubishi-branded coupe, with a RWD GS-T model and a more top-of-the-line AWD GSX with all of the Evo goodies, clearly at a premium. Even the RWD models could still get S-AYC. A turbo'd motor would definitely give it an edge over the FR-S/BRZ. |
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