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01-14-2013, 12:51 PM | #2901 |
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that video is killing me So when are we gonna have this cvt vs 5spd war, I thought this thread was about the 2012 and up impreza didn't know that if we have 5spd we can't post. So far accounting for all the variables the biggest mpg drain seems to be the driver like it our not its called SOL when will skynet be activated?
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01-14-2013, 01:20 PM | #2902 | |
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01-14-2013, 08:10 PM | #2903 |
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Someone please explain to me why I can't break 30mpg with this car. I have the cvt, rpm's never go above 3500 - commute about 40 miles a day with about 3/4 highway and 1/4 sometimes bumper to bumper.... I could not drive this car more like an economy car w/out getting run over. Have done the same commute with other cars for years.. so it was easy for me to anticipate what my expected MPG's would be with this car... only problem is the numbers are inflated. I dont think 27mpg's per tank for driving responsibly (and quite frankly no fun at all) is acceptable for what was posted for this car. The window sticker lies, Screw the window stickers, I know how to drive, I dont give a crap about 5spd vs. cvt - cvt is suppose to have better MPG's???. Why cant you accept or admit that Subaru inflated the MPG's for this car... it is quite obvious and clear to me. I deal with it every day. OMG!!! I consistently see owners posting that they a dont care b/c when the weather gets bad they know they have AWD and have accepted it, etc..... But to me that just reinforces my point. I can't speak for all but it seems even those who love the car admit the MPG's are off, they are just ok with it b/c they like the car and have awd or whatever.. and that is fine. BUT Does not change the fact that the MPG's projected for this car are just dead wrong. Really??? you all dont see that? C'Mon man. There is nothing wrong with my car that I know of ie, oil consumption etc.. just extremely disapointed with MPG's. Bought car b/c based on the #'s and knowing my commute and the way I drive, I should have easily been breaking the 30mpg mark and I am not. The only constant is I know how I drive, so explain that one. Did I just get a thursty one? Doubt it highly. Whatever!! sorry for ranting, but after reading post after post.. had to get off my chest. |
01-14-2013, 08:22 PM | #2904 |
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At vwgti123, you're moaning about 10%... 30 combined vs the 27 you're getting. Seriously...
Let's try to get a grip on reality. This is just slightly worse (~2-3 MPG) than my '03 Civic EX 4 speed automatic doing the same driving. That disparity equates to about $140/year. I'm pretty sure flipping your lid over $140 on GAS qualifies as irrational. You probably spend more on fast food in a month. I really appreciate what I got for such a cheap car: Impreza VS Civic $22,800 vs $17,800 Wagon vs Sedan ~3100lbs vs ~2600lbs 2.0L H4 vs 1.7L I4 148HP vs 127HP 145lb-ft vs 118lb-ft CVT vs 4sp AWD vs FWD 17" Alloy vs 15" Steel Roof rack vs none Heated Leather vs Cloth 97 cuft vs 83 cuft interior 22.5 cuft vs 12.9 cuft cargo Electronic Brake Assistance vs none Traction Control vs none Vehicle Stability Control vs none Top Safety Pick vs not And for the record: Latest fuelup 26.6 calculated MPG. 312 Miles 11.746 Gallons Trip MPG: 28.2 Trip MPH: 25 Fuelly Running average 26.9 MPG Lifetime average 27.1 MPG Last edited by hemophilic; 01-14-2013 at 08:54 PM. |
01-14-2013, 10:41 PM | #2905 | |
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Another buyer who is happy with their car but not achieving the MPG claims by Subaru and justifying it. I am happy for you that you have improved your life from a civic to the Impreza... but what is your point? Where did I say you should not be happy with your car. I should just be happy b/c you feel you are in a better car than a civic? Really? Dont play that game. My expectations were not a magic 30mpg for this car.. just felt based upon all the raw data and reviews, that I would be in the somewhat above 30mpg based upon MY driving habbits and MY commute. I am glad you dont care that you were taken. I dont consider 27MPG acceptable for why I purchased this car based upon how I drive and My needs/commute when I have had other cars that can easily achieve higher. It is not about the $140 or whatever.. it may be to you....It's about being a consumer and being misled and that is why I called you a fool mostly. Thanks, but no thanks for sharing. Please! I hate that you made me type this. Bottom Line!!! The EPA MPG's for this car are WRONG!!! OMG AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LIVES THIS!!! What a great feeling.. getting up everyday, starting your new car, doing everything you can to be responsible and drive safe and economicaly as you have been and watching your efforts go down the toilet. Nice Feeling. Thanks Subaru for lying to America. OMG!!!!!! Oh man you pissed me off. That's why this car is a POS!!! Enjoy yours. |
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01-14-2013, 10:43 PM | #2906 |
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Agreed. That's so nothing to flip out over. If you were getting 17 then yes. My lifetime combined on fuelly is 28.8 on just 8200km. About 20% on hwy. Rest is all city. Also cvt.
As I said before, my sticker shows 5.5l hwy 7.6 city. So getting 7.8 combined is about spot on. I've done 2 major trips and with a full tank managed to hit 5.8l all hwy at speed limit of 65mph or 105kpg. Which comes to 40.55mpg hwy. Last edited by Penguin44; 01-14-2013 at 10:49 PM. |
01-14-2013, 10:50 PM | #2907 |
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Well I guess it is just me. I will just be content to walk into the Subaru dealer pull down my pants and accept it. Sorry for posting. Good Luck to all.
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01-14-2013, 10:50 PM | #2908 | |
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01-14-2013, 10:55 PM | #2909 |
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01-14-2013, 11:28 PM | #2910 | |
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01-14-2013, 11:36 PM | #2911 |
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I think you should be getting better than 30 mpg going that speed. Where I live is pretty flat and going 60-65 will get me at the 36 hwy mpg or better. Don't know what else it could be causing your mileage to be low like that. Where you are is kind of flat too. I'm from Huntington/Greenlawn.
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01-15-2013, 02:46 AM | #2912 | |
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01-15-2013, 05:30 AM | #2913 |
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Be easy on VWGTI, guys. He gave up one of the funnest cars on the road (VW GTI) with a six speed, HID headlights, and so on and bought an Impreza with a CVT. He misses his GTI. He's blaming the Impreza's fuel economy because he needs to hang his hat on something. But in reality, he bought a car that was designed for a completely different experience, and now he's missing the GTI's coolness factor. Deep down, he knows that the fuel economy isn't really a big deal, especially since the GTI requires premium gas and the Impeza takes RUG.
Don't try to justify the Impreza to him; it won't help. He wants a GTI again, and the Impreza is not a GTI, and never will be. |
01-15-2013, 05:33 AM | #2914 | |
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The ones with the 5 speeds who attempt to justify the lower mpg's of the cvt are just idiots. |
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01-15-2013, 05:54 AM | #2915 |
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01-15-2013, 05:55 AM | #2916 |
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01-15-2013, 06:32 AM | #2917 |
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01-15-2013, 06:38 AM | #2918 | |
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01-15-2013, 08:10 AM | #2919 | |
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And it's not helpful to express how much you like your Impreza better than your previous car (a Civic was used as an example earlier). I (still) have a 1999 Civic, and I agree that the Impreza is better. But that's not relevant to VWGTI, because he's comparing his Impreza to the GTI that he sold, and that's a hard comparison for the Impreza to win. The GTI has:
Comparing the GTI to the Impreza isn't fair because they're not even in the same league. The GTI is approaching an Audi in terms of niceness. The only Golf that the Impreza can be fairly compared against is the base gasser Golf. But that's not what VWGTI owned, so that's irrelevant too. VWGTI is mourning the loss of his GTI. The five stages of mourning are Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and finally Acceptance. Have sympathy for VWGTI, because he's straddling the Anger and Depression phases over the loss of his GTI. He's blaming the Impreza's gas mileage for his anger, but really he's probably depressed because he got rid of a car that he loved. If the only thing that was wrong with the GTI was that he had to deal with the clutch during his bumper-to-bumper driving, then he should have traded it in and bought a GTI with the DSG tranny. The Impreza, especially one with the unenthusiastic CVT, was certain to disappoint him, regardless of the fuel economy. Even if VWGTI's Impreza was returning 32 MPG, he would still be disappointed. He bought the wrong car, he knows it, and now he's working his way through the mourning process as he decides what he's going to do about it. |
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01-15-2013, 08:48 AM | #2920 | |
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Maybe MPG's wasn't a huge selling point for some of you and that is fine but don't go undermining other individuals legitimate issues with this vehicles fuel efficiency because of it. Makes you look unnecessarily ignorant... Some will gripe about it more than others and though I still think overall this is a great car IMO I can absolutely understand anyone's discontent with this cars fuel efficiency based on advertised numbers NOT the fact the even though falling short it's still "good mpg's for an awd car". |
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01-15-2013, 09:23 AM | #2921 |
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Yes. And I think I have better perspective on this than you, because my previous car was a 2010 Golf TDI, which has many similarities to the GTI.
Having come from a diesel car, if anyone should be upset about fuel economy, it should be me. After averaging 42 MPG in my TDI, getting fuel economy in the low 30s in the Impreza can be discouraging. But I'm not upset about that--I knew what I was getting into before I made my purchase decision. Both the TDI and GTI are significant upgrades over the gasser Golf, so I can appreciate more than you what VWGTI is missing. I feel his pain. I feel his loss. More than you can, Zauri, I get it. So why aren't I upset about my current Impreza ownership?
If VWGTI ever reaches the Acceptance phase of his mourning, he might come to embrace the advantages of his Impreza. Until then, he's not going to be pleased. If he's unable to reach Acceptance, then he should sell his Impreza and buy a GTI with the DSG tranny. He would certainly be happy with that. |
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The point was missed. I put the Civic up there because it get's 30 combined. THAT was the point. vwgti123 is basing his entire rant on 3mpg... AKA $140/year. Is that disappointing when other 30mpg combined vehicles do better? Sure. Is it within the stated EPA range? Yes. Is it something to melt down over? I think not.
If it's that big of a deal, contact the EPA. When they get enough complaints, it will be investigated like Hyundai. Then Subaru will send you a $100 gift card or whatever like Hyundai did... Or get rid of the car. The other info was simply a comparison of another cheap car. Admittedly the GTI is a differently focused, more premium vehicle. But the argument is over efficiency. Specifically over a 10% lower reality than expected. So he still can't get a grip on reality. Most "enthusiasts" lean more toward passion than logic or reason and thus no argument or conversation will ever be sufficient. Now modifying my ignore list... |
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