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Old 12-13-2011, 06:27 PM   #201
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^ finally someone using the round thing on their shoulders

the only problem is i think a separate WRX and STi is locked in, given how much we've heard about them wanting to separate the WRX from the basic impreza lineup. BUT i think youre right about not offering a simply turbod version of the BRZ for several reasons including its competition with the WRX (although i do think they see the wrx as aimed at people who want a more practical but sporty car, but not for sti cash).

all of this is why im kind of hoping (getting away from objective thinknig ) they do an all out STi version, turbo, brembos, etc and then a bare bones version which pumps up the NA, but lightens things up and steps up brakes etc (which is what i really want)
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Old 12-13-2011, 06:59 PM   #202
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I would rather have subaru remake the 2007 STI with 2 doors and with an interior redesign instead of the BRZ. Now that would be an amazing!
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Old 12-13-2011, 07:05 PM   #203
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Turbo sucks, high compression plz
Yo dude get back to the honda forums.. We don't care about high compression slow cars here

and the BRZ needs to be turbo'd but I wanna drive one
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Old 12-13-2011, 07:58 PM   #204
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Rule #1 for releasing cool non-series sports cars is not to say it's going to be more cool in the future before the first sales roll in.BMW wrote that rule with their Z cars, each time they said M versions were off the table upon release.

The only reason I might suspect that subaru are being honest about the BRZ not getting a factory turbo is that there would be significant overlap between a turbo BRZ and a WRX of similar size and higher output.

In my opinion, there are 2 paths Subaru COULD take with these new sports cars which determines if the BRZ will get a turbo variant along with a couple other things.

Option A (most likely) is:

1:do a turbocharged STI version of the BRZ
2:have the WRX/STI be a single car only available in 300+hp trim as the flagship.
3ffer an "impreza GT" that is more similar to the current WRX by being a turbo variant of the Impreza minus the super high-tech bits for folks who need the extra space of the Impreza.

Option B
1:not turbo the STI version of the BRZ which eveyone knows would be lame.
2ffer a WRX at 260ish HP below the WRX/STI
3:Also offer a WRXSTI at 300+hp and the more high-tech trans etc.

I think why Option A is most likely makes sense on many levels.
Come on, we've doing this for years..

most realistic scenario

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1. BRZ tuned by STI, slightly lightened, 5-10 hp boost and handling improvements...
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:02 AM   #205
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Come on, we've doing this for years..

most realistic scenario

Option C:
1. BRZ tuned by STI, slightly lightened, 5-10 hp boost and handling improvements...
Well, that's basically the "option b" I laid out which states that Subaru puts out a mildly tuned sti version of the BRZ without a turbo. That would allow them to put out the next gen WRX and STI without overlapping the performance envelope of the BRZ.
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:58 PM   #206
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I am just happy that it looks like I can fit in it (6'4") . I liked the miata and s2000 but those are designed for "little people". Can't wait to see one in the flesh. Hope they use this as a new platform and do a hatch/wagon version. I am all in if I fit otherwise my 25K I have saved is going for a new Duacti 1199 Panigale. It makes the same HP...lol
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:29 AM   #207
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Am I alone in saying that I only enjoyed the last 30 seconds of the video?
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:53 PM   #208
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I would not hesitate to gut out this car to cut off another 300 to 400 pounds; even for a daily driver.
+1. "Adding power makes you faster on the straights, while subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere." -Colin Chapman
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Old 12-15-2011, 05:28 PM   #209
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Thank you Subaru, Im buying one.
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Old 12-15-2011, 10:14 PM   #210
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Curious to see if when they do turbo model if it will still have the intake manifold facing the front... Either way the set up looks clean in the motor.
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:30 PM   #211
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i want the sti version
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Old 12-16-2011, 02:57 AM   #212
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i cant wait im getting the sti brz version
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Old 12-16-2011, 08:02 AM   #213
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Subaru BRZ + TRD supercharger = Super fun times?
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Old 12-16-2011, 11:55 AM   #214
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Curious to see if when they do turbo model if it will still have the intake manifold facing the front... Either way the set up looks clean in the motor.
i suspect turbocharging is the reason for it, maybe in conjunction with something like the legacy setup with the turbo in front


also there is purportedly not much room in the rear



i kind of also wonder how much of a bitch this thing is going to be to work on with the engine way the hell down in there
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:50 PM   #215
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this is all too similar to the s2k's specs of roughly 230hp and 170 lb/tq. at 2700 lbs. or so, and they are great fun with the high revs and amazing suspension, stiffened for track runs right out the box... and I imagine this will have even better suspension and the amazing boxer sound and feel.. A turbo version would be perfect definitely, turbo'd s2k's rape z06's and sti's... with the right sized turbo, engine build and tune of course
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:45 PM   #216
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i suspect turbocharging is the reason for it, maybe in conjunction with something like the legacy setup with the turbo in front


also there is purportedly not much room in the rear
I haven't seen the "new" legacy turbo setup before. That header and turbo location is perfect for the front facing intake manifold. The intercooler charge pipes have a much shorter route to travel with that, and thus less turbo lag. That is a sweet piece of kit. (does that fit the older EJ motors too? Looks like it would.)

A quick spooling turbo would be great on the BRZ.
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Old 12-16-2011, 02:09 PM   #217
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"GT 86 development engineer Yoshi Sasaki says the GT 86 is for those who are bored with cars that are too powerful with their turboengines, have too much grip with their huge tyres and four-wheel drive, cost too much and don't let the driver do enough. 'A fun car,' he says, 'is a car that you control."


I get a real chuckle out of that comment by Mr Yoshi Sasaki makes. Are any of you guys bored with to much power, to much grip and tenacious handling in slippery conditions?
From what I can see the price mirrors the 2011 WRX as well so so much for pricing advantages.
It won't be a great seller unless they slip in AWD/Turbo for 2014 and then it could be something to write home about. The Celica once had a AWD Turbo back in the 80's, and it ripped.

Lets face it Subaru has entered the realm of the US car mentality, and Toyota did more than a decade ago.

"If I could only afford a Ferrari. "
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Old 12-16-2011, 02:38 PM   #218
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^ if you dont get it, you dont get it. and thats cool, theyll still make a wrx and a sti. but to keep saying this car needs a turbo and awd is missing the whole point.

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this is all too similar to the s2k's specs of roughly 230hp and 170 lb/tq. at 2700 lbs. or so, and they are great fun with the high revs and amazing suspension, stiffened for track runs right out the box... and I imagine this will have even better suspension and the amazing boxer sound and feel.. A turbo version would be perfect definitely, turbo'd s2k's rape z06's and sti's... with the right sized turbo, engine build and tune of course
good call, i hadnt actually realized how close the S2k was in specs. the only other platform i can think of, as far as similarity, is a E30 M3.

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I haven't seen the "new" legacy turbo setup before. That header and turbo location is perfect for the front facing intake manifold. The intercooler charge pipes have a much shorter route to travel with that, and thus less turbo lag. That is a sweet piece of kit. (does that fit the older EJ motors too? Looks like it would.)

A quick spooling turbo would be great on the BRZ.
yeah, somebody pointed it out to me as being the stock location for 2010+ legacy GTs, makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons here. there were pics at tokyo auto show of a similar setup but apparently on a 1.6, but on both the 'uppipe' still goes up to a TMIC in teh classic subaru location. anyway found a thread on it on here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2276979

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Old 12-16-2011, 05:22 PM   #219
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^^ I guess I should have said, "with the turbo there and the intake in the front, the charge pipe routing for a FMIC would be shorter." Thus why I'm curious about retrofitting that header onto an older EJ car. For running a FMIC on my project car with less lag.

Thanks for the link though, I didn't see that there were new pictures added of the new 1.6T motor.
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Old 12-16-2011, 07:21 PM   #220
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this thread needs more pics


I was bored tonight

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Old 12-17-2011, 12:15 AM   #222
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If a 1.6 liter engine is used for an sti version, could that mean subaru has plans to get back into wrc? That is the regulation engine size now, is it not?
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It won't be a great seller unless they slip in AWD/Turbo for 2014 and then it could be something to write home about.
"If I could only afford a Ferrari. "
Huh? If they added AWD it would have the balance of a WRX, not a BRZ. Are you suggesting they make another WRX to sit next to the WRX that already exists at the dealership? Does that really make sense?

I want a test ride in a BRZ... I really hope my co-worker buys one.

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Old 12-17-2011, 09:45 PM   #224
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From what I can see the price mirrors the 2011 WRX as well so so much for pricing advantages.[/size][/font][/color]
It won't be a great seller unless they slip in AWD/Turbo for 2014 and then it could be something to write home about. The Celica once had a AWD Turbo back in the 80's, and it ripped.
Where have you seen an exact price? and 2011 Wrx are close to 30 grand. From what ive seen this is going to be substantially less.
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Old 12-17-2011, 11:51 PM   #225
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I am on the list with a Deposit made for one of the first ones...In Jan I will go to Detroit Auto Show to watch the unveiling of the US spec model...Looking sooo forward to it...Its a 'handling' vehicle...not power...I am sure there will be some N/A tweaks and some tuning to get some more HP....
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