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Old 06-07-2005, 06:34 PM   #26
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If equal length headers take away the "boxer sound", then isn't it really an "unequal length headers sound", and shouldn't it be associated with the allegedly poorly flowing stock headers?

<"boxer sound" goes by> "Uck, that guy's got restrictive stock headers."
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Old 06-07-2005, 08:42 PM   #27
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I like the EL sound. After reading this thread I ran out and shot a short video from the tail of the Subiesport Project Car (TWE headers):

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784354
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Old 06-07-2005, 08:48 PM   #28
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of course I only have a map and stock cams and cat and hedder and oh well I can still dream.
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Old 06-07-2005, 09:01 PM   #29
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...shouldn't it be associated with the allegedly poorly flowing stock headers?

<"boxer sound" goes by> "Uck, that guy's got restrictive stock headers."
Makes sense. Isn't part of the 2006 HP increase from a new equal-length stock header? Anyone know part# & pricing?
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Old 06-07-2005, 10:14 PM   #30
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Does anyone know of the Borla header for the 2.2ltr single port engines amplify the 'boxer' sound as well?
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Old 06-07-2005, 11:21 PM   #31
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Shouldnt the "Boxer sound" be referred to as the "unequal length header sound"? I mean if you take off the headers and it doesn't have that sound anymore then its more an opposed engine+ header combo then it is a result of the firing order of the engine....
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Old 06-07-2005, 11:32 PM   #32
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Well Kevin, judging by the theory of where the boxer sound comes from, then yes, because its not EL. I have no experience with the 2.2l header, but I have yet to hear a borla header on any car that didnt sound like a V8. And all the nay sayers with their cracking crying, they redesigned them recently and as a few have said, Ive run the new gen for quite a while with no problem.
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Old 06-07-2005, 11:33 PM   #33
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I just remembered that the 2.5 and 2.2 headers are the same part number. But I see your looking for single port, so nevermind.
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Old 06-07-2005, 11:46 PM   #34
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Well Kevin, judging by the theory of where the boxer sound comes from, then yes, because its not EL. I have no experience with the 2.2l header, but I have yet to hear a borla header on any car that didnt sound like a V8. And all the nay sayers with their cracking crying, they redesigned them recently and as a few have said, Ive run the new gen for quite a while with no problem.
WHat is the latests generation? Was is changed withing the past year?
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Old 06-08-2005, 01:40 AM   #35
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im curious too Hawk296...im about to get some used 4th gen borlas
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Old 06-08-2005, 08:01 AM   #36
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I think 4th gen is the latest. I've had a set on for a couple of months. I'd like to see a "My Borla DIDN'T Crack" thread, because unfortunately only people with problems generally post.
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Old 06-08-2005, 01:32 PM   #37
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Hi i bought my borla headers in feb 05, wrapped them up and coated them too. Still no cracks, love the performance inthe dyno butt, and sound is really nice. It brings the boxer engine alive.
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:51 PM   #38
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6:34 PM:
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If equal length headers take away the "boxer sound", then isn't it really an "unequal length headers sound"...?
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Shouldnt the "Boxer sound" be referred to as the "unequal length header sound"? I mean if you take off the headers and it doesn't have that sound anymore then its more an opposed engine+ header combo then it is a result of the firing order of the engine....
Beat ya.
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Old 06-08-2005, 06:37 PM   #39
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Madahatteroo... If you aren't getting headers for more power, and love the "boxer" (read: ineffecient) sound then WHY are you looking for headers at all? Just open the exhaust a bit and then you will hear it loud and clear.

BTW, I had a 2.5" Brullen catback - then later installed MRT header/cat ($350new - a few years ago now) on my '98 Leg GT. The exhaust was MUCH louder with the stock header, and dronned a lot. The MRT was "raspier", but NOT "honda" and sounded MEAN above 4500rpm at WOT (oh, it also did what I bought it for - shaved .3+ off my ET and added almost 2mph to my traps - who with a unequal length header can say that?.... the header/cat gave me ~15+hp judging by trap increase)

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Old 06-08-2005, 06:38 PM   #40
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Quote:
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Beat ya.
oh man, I didnt even see that! I must say though, you have an excellent point!
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Old 06-09-2005, 12:32 AM   #41
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About the whole million mile warranty for the borla headers. I went through a huge puddle and the water cooled them down way to quick and they cracked, so I took them to a shop and they welded them for me. 2 weeks later I was driving down I-79 and a barrel of some sort flew out of a trailor and I ran it over and it cracked them again, but this time it also put a dent in the y pipe of the headers. Does the million mile warranty cover dents also, or do they just cover cracking? And also, if Borla sees that they were welded again, would they still replace them? This is for a 97 2.2L.
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Old 06-09-2005, 01:06 AM   #42
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About the whole million mile warranty for the borla headers. I went through a huge puddle and the water cooled them down way to quick and they cracked, so I took them to a shop and they welded them for me. 2 weeks later I was driving down I-79 and a barrel of some sort flew out of a trailor and I ran it over and it cracked them again, but this time it also put a dent in the y pipe of the headers. Does the million mile warranty cover dents also, or do they just cover cracking? And also, if Borla sees that they were welded again, would they still replace them? This is for a 97 2.2L.
best bet is to call up borla and find out
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Old 06-09-2005, 11:00 AM   #43
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Borla header is nice, sounds sweet with aftermarket or stock exhaust. Noticed more low end torque. I dont believe the newer version cracks like the last one, and it isnt equal length so you will keep the boxer sound. For the price it is definitely worth it!
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Old 06-09-2005, 12:37 PM   #44
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overall how much louder does the borla headers make your exhuast sound?
P.S i have Apex'i catback.
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Old 06-09-2005, 05:02 PM   #45
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VERY VERY LOUD. well not really, but it's very noticeable. I have 4th gen borlas since december and they haven't cracked yet. oh and I live in NH so the heat up and cool down very fast during the winters. The only thing I don't like about them is that they DO NOT MAKE ANY HORSEPOWER!!! People say that it pulls harder but that's just in your mind. At most they make like 2HP. Just because of that I'm switching over the TWE or Brullen headers because they make HP like crazy.
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Old 06-09-2005, 05:59 PM   #46
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I just asked my wife to get me a Borla header for the 2.2ltr engine for Father's day. She agreed! I stated I'd go half though.

So, instead of waiting, I'm going to look for one right now and ordering it. She can pay me on Father's day. Hooray!

Since people haven't been posting before and after dyno results of a Borla header, I'm going to dyno them. Remember, this is for the single port 2.2ltr engine so power may vary. Stay tuned!

BTW: I'm counting on the sound to be great. The car sounds great as it sits with the Remus dual tipped muffler. I LOVE how it sound. I wonder if this will make it better. Video to follow.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:17 AM   #47
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Has anyone heard the Cobb tuning headers at all? I thought about buying them along with their exhaust.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:37 PM   #48
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I keep hearing about Borla's cracking....are we talking about the 1st generation they produced or the current 2nd one..I have the 2nd one..and have yet to check them for cracking....just scared I guess....

EDIT: I have the most recent generation..I guess it's 4th...got to many generations in my head...haha..sorry.
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Old 06-10-2005, 04:09 PM   #49
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[quote=Sargeant_002] I have the 2nd one..and have yet to check them for cracking....just scared I guess....

Dont worry about checking for cracks. You will it before you see it. I had a pinhole leak in mine, and two days later it cracked 3/4 around the collector and sounded like a harley.
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Dont worry about checking for cracks. You will it before you see it. I had a pinhole leak in mine, and two days later it cracked 3/4 around the collector and sounded like a harley.
That was my next question....would it be a noticable sound difference if it does end up cracking....also, my car kinda turns heads now (I guess people aren't used to seeing an Outback Sport....sound so ) I can imagine what kinda looks I would get with a Harley sound..
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