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06-07-2005, 06:34 PM | #26 |
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If equal length headers take away the "boxer sound", then isn't it really an "unequal length headers sound", and shouldn't it be associated with the allegedly poorly flowing stock headers?
<"boxer sound" goes by> "Uck, that guy's got restrictive stock headers."
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06-07-2005, 08:42 PM | #27 |
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I like the EL sound. After reading this thread I ran out and shot a short video from the tail of the Subiesport Project Car (TWE headers):
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784354 |
06-07-2005, 08:48 PM | #28 |
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if thats more power without trademark sound sign me up
of course I only have a map and stock cams and cat and hedder and oh well I can still dream.
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06-07-2005, 09:01 PM | #29 | |
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06-07-2005, 10:14 PM | #30 |
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Does anyone know of the Borla header for the 2.2ltr single port engines amplify the 'boxer' sound as well?
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06-07-2005, 11:21 PM | #31 |
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Shouldnt the "Boxer sound" be referred to as the "unequal length header sound"? I mean if you take off the headers and it doesn't have that sound anymore then its more an opposed engine+ header combo then it is a result of the firing order of the engine....
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06-07-2005, 11:32 PM | #32 |
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Well Kevin, judging by the theory of where the boxer sound comes from, then yes, because its not EL. I have no experience with the 2.2l header, but I have yet to hear a borla header on any car that didnt sound like a V8. And all the nay sayers with their cracking crying, they redesigned them recently and as a few have said, Ive run the new gen for quite a while with no problem.
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06-07-2005, 11:33 PM | #33 |
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I just remembered that the 2.5 and 2.2 headers are the same part number. But I see your looking for single port, so nevermind.
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06-07-2005, 11:46 PM | #34 | |
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06-08-2005, 01:40 AM | #35 |
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im curious too Hawk296...im about to get some used 4th gen borlas
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06-08-2005, 08:01 AM | #36 |
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I think 4th gen is the latest. I've had a set on for a couple of months. I'd like to see a "My Borla DIDN'T Crack" thread, because unfortunately only people with problems generally post.
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06-08-2005, 01:32 PM | #37 |
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Hi i bought my borla headers in feb 05, wrapped them up and coated them too. Still no cracks, love the performance inthe dyno butt, and sound is really nice. It brings the boxer engine alive.
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06-08-2005, 04:51 PM | #38 | ||
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06-08-2005, 06:37 PM | #39 |
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Madahatteroo... If you aren't getting headers for more power, and love the "boxer" (read: ineffecient) sound then WHY are you looking for headers at all? Just open the exhaust a bit and then you will hear it loud and clear.
BTW, I had a 2.5" Brullen catback - then later installed MRT header/cat ($350new - a few years ago now) on my '98 Leg GT. The exhaust was MUCH louder with the stock header, and dronned a lot. The MRT was "raspier", but NOT "honda" and sounded MEAN above 4500rpm at WOT (oh, it also did what I bought it for - shaved .3+ off my ET and added almost 2mph to my traps - who with a unequal length header can say that?.... the header/cat gave me ~15+hp judging by trap increase) my $.04 (you get extra) -Chad |
06-08-2005, 06:38 PM | #40 | |
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06-09-2005, 12:32 AM | #41 |
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About the whole million mile warranty for the borla headers. I went through a huge puddle and the water cooled them down way to quick and they cracked, so I took them to a shop and they welded them for me. 2 weeks later I was driving down I-79 and a barrel of some sort flew out of a trailor and I ran it over and it cracked them again, but this time it also put a dent in the y pipe of the headers. Does the million mile warranty cover dents also, or do they just cover cracking? And also, if Borla sees that they were welded again, would they still replace them? This is for a 97 2.2L.
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06-09-2005, 01:06 AM | #42 | |
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06-09-2005, 11:00 AM | #43 |
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Borla header is nice, sounds sweet with aftermarket or stock exhaust. Noticed more low end torque. I dont believe the newer version cracks like the last one, and it isnt equal length so you will keep the boxer sound. For the price it is definitely worth it!
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06-09-2005, 12:37 PM | #44 |
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overall how much louder does the borla headers make your exhuast sound?
P.S i have Apex'i catback. |
06-09-2005, 05:02 PM | #45 |
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VERY VERY LOUD. well not really, but it's very noticeable. I have 4th gen borlas since december and they haven't cracked yet. oh and I live in NH so the heat up and cool down very fast during the winters. The only thing I don't like about them is that they DO NOT MAKE ANY HORSEPOWER!!! People say that it pulls harder but that's just in your mind. At most they make like 2HP. Just because of that I'm switching over the TWE or Brullen headers because they make HP like crazy.
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06-09-2005, 05:59 PM | #46 |
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I just asked my wife to get me a Borla header for the 2.2ltr engine for Father's day. She agreed! I stated I'd go half though.
So, instead of waiting, I'm going to look for one right now and ordering it. She can pay me on Father's day. Hooray! Since people haven't been posting before and after dyno results of a Borla header, I'm going to dyno them. Remember, this is for the single port 2.2ltr engine so power may vary. Stay tuned! BTW: I'm counting on the sound to be great. The car sounds great as it sits with the Remus dual tipped muffler. I LOVE how it sound. I wonder if this will make it better. Video to follow. |
06-10-2005, 12:17 AM | #47 |
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Has anyone heard the Cobb tuning headers at all? I thought about buying them along with their exhaust.
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06-10-2005, 12:37 PM | #48 |
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I keep hearing about Borla's cracking....are we talking about the 1st generation they produced or the current 2nd one..I have the 2nd one..and have yet to check them for cracking....just scared I guess....
EDIT: I have the most recent generation..I guess it's 4th...got to many generations in my head...haha..sorry. |
06-10-2005, 04:09 PM | #49 |
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[quote=Sargeant_002] I have the 2nd one..and have yet to check them for cracking....just scared I guess....
Dont worry about checking for cracks. You will it before you see it. I had a pinhole leak in mine, and two days later it cracked 3/4 around the collector and sounded like a harley. |
06-10-2005, 04:14 PM | #50 | |
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