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03-23-2009, 08:18 AM | #1 | |
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SCCA April Fastrack
http://scca.com/documents/Fastrack/0...pril-final.pdf
Things I find interesting... 1) Feedback for 2010 change of Sunsetting of Stock cars. Quote:
2) Feedback for updated stock re-org proposal. 3) Submitted to the BOD: Move the Mini Cooper S from GS to DS. YAY!!!! 4) Tech Bulletin Street Touring: Per the STAC, 14.10.6 should read as follows: “All vehicles must comply with the EPA tail pipe emissions test requirements as a minimum.” How does one make sure they comply if there is no way to test in the area? 5) Tech BulletinStreet Touring: Due to performance potential, the ‘09 Lancer Ralliart (turbocharged) is added to the STX exclusion list. It is legal for the ST category only in STU. 6) Tech BulletinStreet Touring: The ‘08-’09 Cobalt SS (turbocharged) is no longer being considered for exclusion from STX, and may compete there. --kC
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03-23-2009, 08:37 AM | #2 |
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So, trying to find more about the emissions testing to continue this discussion
1) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22EPA+tailpipe...equirements%22 Only lists references to the SCCA rules. 2) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22EPA+tailpipe+emissions+test%22 You'd think I can get somewhere with this as it's just the EPA Tailpipe Emissions Test... right? Wrong. Again... only references the SCCA rules. Tell me this, how can one be sure they're in compliance with the rule, as written, if it can't even be found on the web? IMHO, if there is no result of EPA Tailpipe Emission Test when googling, can one simply say "it does not exist?". --kC Edit: PS, the rule didn't really change. They just took out "ST" from the original after I actually looked it up and finding out that 14.10.6 doesn't really exist (but 14.10.F.6 does). Last edited by KC; 03-23-2009 at 09:35 AM. |
03-23-2009, 10:11 AM | #3 |
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3. About time. Anyone else noticing the reduction in GS entries it seems? Also FS entries. Having one car be "the car" is not good for competition IMO, just look at AS, HS, and DS entries for proof.
4. Screw the tailpipe crap. In my book, and I believe most of ST*'s, as long as you have the required cat and you're not throwing codes, you're good to go. And in my own personal book, if you have the required hardware I could care less if you're throwing a code...I'm not going to protest. 5. Interesting on the Ralliart, but I really wonder how competitive it would be given it's weight. I think they should have let it try, but I doubt many would have been built to matter. 6. Makes sense to me. |
03-23-2009, 11:32 AM | #4 | |
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Even if they were able to make a fair bit more power than an stx wrx I'd still think the weight (~3500lbs IIRC) would make them pretty uncompetitive. |
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03-23-2009, 01:17 PM | #5 |
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The Ralliart thing... I can see it. The 2.5L WRX is already in STU. The EVO, even though it's only 2.0, is also in STU. The Ralliart is the 2.5L WRX competition... it would run circles around the 2.0L WRX.
I think it's a fair call. If it shows to not do well in STU, like the RX8, move it down. (Not saying moving down the RX8 to STX was the right call either... but it was moved). |
03-23-2009, 01:19 PM | #6 |
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I haven't even seen one on the road, let alone at an autocross. I agree, if it's that bad move it down. But I doubt it will really matter either way.
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03-23-2009, 01:56 PM | #7 |
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and.........Here we go again....weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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03-23-2009, 02:01 PM | #8 |
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03-23-2009, 02:05 PM | #9 |
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In a fastrack sometime last year they mentioned that they would be keeping an eye on the ralliart in STX classing and might exclude it based on performance.
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03-23-2009, 05:31 PM | #10 |
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1. Does anybody rock 30 year old cars in stock? Just the nature of advancing car technology makes it seem like the stock guys kind of have to buy the car du jour. What does this rule buy you? Is it just so you don't have to keep sliding obsolete cars into slower classes?
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03-23-2009, 06:02 PM | #11 | |
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We went through a little of this in 2001 when Carpenter won E-Stock in a 1985 CRX - there were some questions about the difference between what actually came on the car and what you could get at Honda, and what was going to make the determination. At the time I was told, "we will just 914 the thing" - refering to placing the 914 so far out of competition it didn't matter. Now, they don't have to worry about one of the multitudes of 1980s cars that are light, have good suspension geometry, etc sneaking it's way in to be a class-killer. (Because the only thing worse than a brand-new car-du-jour is to have a very old, can't-buy-it anymore car as the "car-du-jour") Jon K |
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03-23-2009, 06:44 PM | #12 | ||
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http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/301633.aspx Cliff's notes: The EPA pretty much said there was no such thing. Quote:
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03-23-2009, 07:55 PM | #13 | |
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03-23-2009, 10:42 PM | #14 | |
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03-23-2009, 10:47 PM | #15 |
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I think the Ralliart has the Evo's fancy diff setup - that may be a part of why people are afraid of it.
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03-24-2009, 08:50 AM | #16 | |
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14.1 AUTHORIZED MODIFICATIONS A. All Solo Rules Stock Category allowances, plus all allowances contained in 14.1 through 14.10. They would have to add in a line to avoid confusion that the sunsetting rule applies also to those classes. --kC |
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STREET TOURING CATEGORY Vehicles eligible for this category must meet the Stock category eligibility requirements, as a minimum. |
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03-24-2009, 10:18 AM | #18 | |
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03-24-2009, 12:53 PM | #19 | |
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03-24-2009, 12:57 PM | #20 | |
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I'm waiting for the year they sunset 89 civic si's. No one will know what to do in ST!
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