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08-31-2013, 11:56 PM | #26 | |
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But honestly, you can get power from an intake. But the POWER to COST ratio is so backwards it's not a GOOD mod. Now the intake fan boys can run along and talk about how great their intake is.
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09-01-2013, 04:50 AM | #27 | |
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For me, the intake made more difference than a $700 catback. That was proved (to me) with back to back dyno runs. How come anytime someone swaps a catback you never see posts about the crappy "POWER to COST ratio"? My gains were definitely noticeable. Other "industry leading tuners" seem to think a good cold air intake is worth about 15 whp. In my opinion, a CAI makes sense as the 2nd mod, right after (or in conjunction with) a downpipe. |
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09-01-2013, 08:27 AM | #28 | |
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I'd love to see 15 whp on a bone stock car just changing maf scaling and adding a little fuel. Most companies test on modified vehicles. My other argument is all these oiled filters are coating your maf sensor. If you go dry is the filtration really better than the OEM paper filter? |
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09-01-2013, 09:05 AM | #29 |
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Wow, a bunch of faceless internet bickering in this forum. Thanks to the people who chimed in with useful non biased information. I could have done without the Dick measuring contest.
I have seen great and not so great results from both sides. I agreewith those who said the $$ for an intake and tune by themselves is not worth it. With other mods, go for it, just remember your experience may vary and just because it did/n't work for you, does not make you an expert on CAIs, thermodynamics, or tuning. |
09-01-2013, 08:07 PM | #30 | |
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I agree that the catbacks are good noisemakers, my point was that when you mention an intake you get knee-jerk responses about how it's not worth the money, yet it is one of the most cost effective mods there is. 90% of the cars on this site are stage 2-ish VF cars. Once a guy buys a downpipe and schedules a tune, if he wants to mod a little further, he might choose on or more of the following: Intake Upgraded TMIC / FMIC TGV deletes injectors headers big MAF turbo inlet Air/oil separator / catch cans maybe something else I am not thinking of If you include the time to install with the cost of the parts, not one of those mods will touch the whp/$ of a good cold air intake. Anyone that disagrees is welcome to illustrate their point, I will read with an open mind. |
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09-01-2013, 08:32 PM | #31 |
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not every aftermarket intake is the same....some are just plain ****
if YOU dont know exactly what you are doing.....just leave it alone...or it may cost you your motor...especially in areas where it goes hot and cold a lot |
09-01-2013, 08:34 PM | #32 | |
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only a TRUE idiot would pay $700 for a cat back |
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09-01-2013, 08:42 PM | #33 |
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09-01-2013, 09:43 PM | #34 |
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Serious question, are there any "safe" intake mods that can be done to a GR WRX to add induction noise without going to an aftermarket intake? I really miss the induction noise of my prior G35 which simply had the mid-intake tract resonator removed. That motor had far more induction noise. The WRX's induction noise is quite muted.
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09-01-2013, 11:10 PM | #35 |
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doooo00d, We can't all go creepzn out in teh night with our to0l bag scott.... Unless you get a fleabay special I don't know of many new catbacks that are less than $700. I think my Q300 setup was somewhere around 800 bones. Every time I start my car I smile and that's worth every penny to me. I would have to rank the TBE (which the CBE is obv part of) as the best money I've spent on my car. Last edited by ALOKIN; 09-02-2013 at 12:58 AM. |
09-01-2013, 11:59 PM | #36 | |
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09-02-2013, 01:08 AM | #37 |
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And only a true idiot would buy the cheapest crap from Ebay and think they are doing well. Not everyone wants/needs to scrounge 2nd hand and bargain basement. If I can afford it, I will buy new from a reputable manufacturer, and support the guys that are doing the original design. And you call me an idiot? I think maybe that word doesn't mean what you think it means.
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09-02-2013, 02:58 AM | #38 | |
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09-02-2013, 03:04 AM | #39 |
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Btw I'm makin 280/320 on stock turbo on an 06 wrx with eBay turboback exhaust. To the wheels.
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09-02-2013, 04:54 AM | #40 |
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09-02-2013, 04:56 AM | #41 |
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09-02-2013, 05:51 AM | #42 | |
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no...cupcake....YOU are one of the idiots who knows less than nothing, but thinks you know what you are doing sorry...but just because something is sold on ebay does not mean its bad and 'ebay' MAKES nothing....ebay is a place that sellers sell things but, in the end....YOU will waste countless dollars on f00-f00 junk and ill be laughing my ass off at your feeble attempt to think yer all k00 an **** |
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09-02-2013, 05:52 AM | #43 |
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09-02-2013, 07:08 AM | #44 | |
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09-02-2013, 09:07 AM | #45 | |
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09-02-2013, 09:08 AM | #46 |
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I personally like my aem intake I have ran them on a number of cars and always like there design and dry flow filters. I now run it with my 20g but had good gains on my vf52 as well. I will say that it was not really needed until I went e85 and my stock air box was not allowing me to raise boost levels past 22psi. After I swapped in the aem intake I was able to hit 24psi with out any wgdc adjustments so in my case it does show that the stock air box will become a restriction when trying to achieve high boost even on a vf turbo. But if you are not trying to push the envelope on your stock turbo then your stock airbox is good to go.
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09-02-2013, 09:14 AM | #47 |
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Also northman don't let them get to you if you want to buy name brands and support them there is nothing wrong with that. I personally buy cheap and used lol but to each there own. My kinugawa turbo, perrin inlet, walbro 465 and on and on were all purchased on ebay and i have had very good luck with every thing i have gotten there and am making 400whp on said setup. I also got my megan racing oe rs dual muffler catback for $250 shipped (normally $750) on ebay lightly used.
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09-02-2013, 09:23 AM | #48 |
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09-02-2013, 09:52 AM | #49 |
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I have a 2005 STi protuned by Cobb.
For a while I ran with a K&N Typhoon take which I was tuned for. They scaled the MAF a bit and played with the timing - after I got the car back I tweaked the MAF scaling more so the A/F correction is less than 3% across the board. The intake was showed in a dyno test by Harmon Motive (a loooong time ago) that if tuned correctly, it can add around 10-12hp at the wheels. It might be true, but if your car sees a lot of stop and go driving in traffic your IATs will quickly shoot up past 140F - at which point the ECU will start to pull timing. Once you get going again, your IATs will slowly come back down. Recently I switched back to a stock airbox with a K&N panel filter (oiled correctly, mind you) because I found myself doing a lot more city driving and because I was getting ready to do some experimenting with tuning for larger injectors. You can't tune for injectors and a MAF scaling (intake) at the same time, you gotta start with one or the other stock. I've noticed that throttle response while stuck in traffic is much better with the stock airbox + snorkus. More immediate torque, which makes sense because while the IATs are slightly warmer than with my short ram (during cruse), they are also a lot more stable. I see intake temps tend to be slightly higher but much more resistant to heat soak. If i'm stuck in traffic for an hour, it's unavoidable that my IATs will climb to higher than 140F+ but that will happen with any intake, stock or not. I'm not a fan of cold air intakes on the GD bodystyle because you need to cram a filter and pipe through a tiny fender cutout. My GF has a GR STI and that car is practically begging to get a CAI installed. I haven't done extensive datalogging or testing with her car, but if Cobb released a map for the AEM cold air intake, it must have some value. Take this information for what it's worth. You need to decide if an intake is worth it for your kind of driving and modifications. |
09-02-2013, 10:01 AM | #50 |
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When I had my 2011 WRX, I asked EFI Logics for help instead of NASIOC. They recommended the Cobb CAI, to start. After a tune my otherwise stock car made 270whp, 300wtq.
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