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03-18-2012, 01:28 PM | #351 |
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Why the big nose?
Why does this car have so much front overhang? That has always been a bitching point for me with Subaru's, but it at least made sense with a AWD setup. Since we have dumped the need here to drive the front two wheels, get that damn engine back and low, and loose the nose.
Look at BMW's the front overhang is tiny, that gets the weight between the wheels where it belongs. It also helps with keeping the angle of approach good for getting up driveway's without scraping your nose. Having a foot or more "nose" just seems unnecessary. (IMHO)
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03-18-2012, 02:22 PM | #352 |
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Even though neither my GC8 or my Legacy do not have Turbos in them. I would really like to have the power from a turbo. But as gas prices continue to rise up near the $4 mark. I really do not want to pay for that when my commute is 50 miles roundtrip to work. When this car comes out, I maybe living a bit further than that. So a NA setup would be ok with me. The only thing that really does bug me is the lack of AWD. I love AWD setup and I do not want to loose that with the BRZ. But I love Subaru and I am willing to test the RWD Subaru and go from there.
But I am also considering the NISMO Leaf.... I know that sounds bad but I am also a Soldier and father of 5 kids. I need to keep the cost of fuel down in my budget BRZ does look sexy! |
03-18-2012, 06:43 PM | #353 | |
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Better fuel efficiency Higher speed Better acceleration Less road noise Most of your BMW's have a front end like a brick with rounded edges... Last edited by Zach9734; 03-18-2012 at 06:58 PM. |
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03-23-2012, 07:24 PM | #354 | |
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Toyota did the exterior design for the car and they wanted it to somewhat resemble the 2000GT. I highly doubt there is any merit in terms of aerodynamics and efficiency. But I do agree that the BMW frontal area is much larger but that that's how all BMWs looked like and they needed to keep the trademark look |
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03-23-2012, 08:39 PM | #355 |
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very exciting
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03-31-2012, 03:05 PM | #356 |
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Trademark look. Thats a good answer. But I think you're fooling yourself if you don't think efficiency has nothing to do with it. It's a sports car with over 30mpg. That takes a lot from all areas to produce, from aero, to engine, to transmission.
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04-05-2012, 06:42 PM | #357 |
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BRZ on HollyWood BLVD
I was at the after party for Born to Race and this was parked out front.
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04-05-2012, 08:17 PM | #358 | |
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04-05-2012, 09:17 PM | #359 |
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04-06-2012, 08:45 AM | #360 |
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Nice article find
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04-06-2012, 09:51 AM | #361 | |
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that they could even use the word 'dramatic' scares the **** out of me. leave it for the scions. everything else seems like a grocery list out of my wet dreams for this car. |
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04-14-2012, 04:21 PM | #362 | |
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04-15-2012, 06:32 PM | #363 |
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No turbo? Kinda sucks....
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04-16-2012, 02:43 AM | #364 |
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I will be on the lookout for a wrecked one and put in a ej257........None the less, can't wait to see the bigger powerful brother. I just hope they don't end up wrecking the STi name by putting it on everything, like Chevy did with the SS badges on every damn car with fake exhaust tips........just saying......
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04-16-2012, 01:57 PM | #365 |
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youre gonna have to do some fancy transmission work and a little xmember tweaking cause an EJ isnt going to bolt right in
not to mention the fact that buying a wrecked chassis to swap an engine INTO isnt exactly the most logical of plans |
04-18-2012, 01:30 PM | #366 |
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I want to like the BRZ, but everything keeps pointing me to a noticeable FAILURE dynamically on the part of Toyota and Subaru. Maybe they just don't remember what a FR layout needs to be balanced...
They ruled out AWD in order to move the engine rearward for "balance," and the engine in question is a tremendously short Flat-4. So WHY IN THE HELL is it still in front of the front axle centerline!? Sorry Toyota, sorry Subaru, that means it is NOT a "front-mid engine" design (and while I'm at it, Nissan needs to quit claiming that for the VQ-engined RWD cars. Rear-mid engine means the ENTIRE block behind the axle line, not the engine's cg). Judging by the distance from the base of the windshield to the center of the front wheel, there is no damn reason that a short engine like the Flat-4 shouldn't be completely behind the front axle centerline. Which would make plenty of room in that huge nose for an intercooler. (They could also run a topmount like the WRX STi, but I think Toyota doesn't want to be upstaged by their daughter company). In short, 53/47 weight distribution when using a non-AWD Flat-4 is just a lack of effort and/or creativity. My S13-chassis 240SX track car has that kind of weight distribution with nearly half of it's Inline-4 in front of the axle centerline. And there's still plenty of space for an intercooler. (Similar firewall-axle-bumper proportions, too). Massive let-down IMO. |
04-18-2012, 02:09 PM | #367 |
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OMG youre so right, i bet that didnt occur to anyone at subaru or toyota! too bad you werent on the design team!
sorry, joking aside, i too feel a 50:50 weight distribution should have been achievable; but at the same time i am glad they placed the engine such that it is actually accessible from the engine bay without excessive dismantling. there are hundreds of imaginable tradeoffs they were certainly balancing, i wouldnt be so self assured. but also, the more weight reduction becomes a focus everywhere in the chassis, the more prominent the fact that the vast majority of necessary weight is in the engine/transmission becomes. |
04-19-2012, 09:28 AM | #368 |
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04-19-2012, 12:18 PM | #369 |
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So it will always be a worthless gutless pig. Pity.. Had some potential.
Also - to those complaining about weight distribution.. When the concept was initially announced by Toyota - the marketing hype was aimed at the Dorifto crowd. Not actual racing enthusiasts.. The Toyota "ft86".. homage to the ae86.. Can't remember which rags were highlighting that fact back then.. But it was all the talk.. |
04-19-2012, 02:51 PM | #370 |
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worthless, no
gutless, maybe pig, big no but always? bigger no. plus whatever performance versions get released after this... http://wot.motortrend.com/torque-to-...-toyota-gt-86/ i also think toyota had a different concept of the purpose of this car than subaru. you may be right about toyotas direction, but i dont think that describes subarus idea, and they did the majority of the engineering. when does marketing hype have anything to do with finished product anyway? Last edited by aesthetect; 04-19-2012 at 02:57 PM. |
04-21-2012, 12:42 PM | #371 |
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One Beautiful Car
I just think it is one beautiful car. It is reminiscent of a few fine sports cars.
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04-21-2012, 06:43 PM | #372 | |
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And most true 50/50 cars have perfectly accessible engine bays. E36 M3s, RX-7s/RX-8s, my old S2000, etc. I know they didn't use a transaxle due to cost, but if it weren't for the Toyota marketing monkeys, it wouldn't have been that much more difficult or compromising to move the engine a few inches farther back during the initial design phase. EDIT: I do feel I should dampen my negativaty a bit. While the BRZ is a personal disappointment in the weight distribution department, it still looks to be a fantatically fun car. My SR-powered 240SX is similarly nose-heavy but a blast to drive. Sounds like the BRZ would be analagous to a cross between my SR-240SX and my old S2000 with an earlier rev-limiter Last edited by jsquared; 04-21-2012 at 07:35 PM. |
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04-22-2012, 12:40 PM | #373 |
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^^^ Can you move the battery to the trunk?
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04-30-2012, 05:48 AM | #374 |
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theyre starting to show up. this was in guam a few days ago.
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05-01-2012, 02:48 AM | #375 |
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This seemed pretty interesting http://jalopnik.com/5906263/subaru-b...a-track-battle
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