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09-17-2012, 01:08 AM | #1 | |
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No orders for 2013 Forester after 9/19
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09-17-2012, 06:06 AM | #2 | |
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Wow...that's within a couple of days it kinda gives credence to all the information circling the web regarding a half year model run, followed by the quick release of the 2014 Forester in early 2013. |
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09-17-2012, 09:08 AM | #3 |
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Nice, interested to see what the new Forester looks like! Sucks for those who bought a 2013 not knowing the short run, though.
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Also while the MPGs aren't great, I don't think it is as far separated from the current CVT MPG numbers as the EPA would lead people to believe. I say this because I drive a 2012 CVT Impreza and also drive a Outback with the 4EAT. |
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09-17-2012, 11:40 AM | #7 |
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It's a fine transmission.. for 20 years ago.
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09-17-2012, 02:56 PM | #9 | |
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Because yeah, I would love to have another gear in the Outback, but it is not the end of the world. The 4EAT doesn't have a good set of gear ratios for highway driving on anything except flat ground. Last edited by ocellaris; 09-17-2012 at 03:12 PM. |
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I am guessing February/March like the current one was in 2008. |
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09-18-2012, 12:10 AM | #17 | |
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09-18-2012, 12:41 AM | #18 |
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4EAT... not equipped on any car with more than ~230hp, and aside from very few with VTD, most are Active AWD, with 90% front bias.
And ask SVX owners how reliable they are, with an EG33 corked down to 230hp... it still heats and eventually burns the fluid, and it has to be changed more often than suggested to keep the transaxle from failing. And the front diffs go, too, with that H6 torque being sent through it most often. Subaru didn't have a manual that could hold up to that engine in 1992... but the 4EAT BARELY holds up itself. Forester and Impreza GT, and others that use that transaxle are also limited to 230hp or less. The cars most reliable with that gearbox, are atmospheric flat 4s, with less than 200hp, which the transaxle was originally designed for. The 5EAT at least has a capacity somewhere around 250-260hp, and associated torque, but even some of those develop issues behind the EZ36. At least it has the more advanced VTD-AWD. There really isn't a believable reason that I have heard for why Forester XT was not offered with buyer's choice of 5EAT and '10-12 Legacy 6MT, and the 268hp tune EJ255 engine, especially AFTER BP Outback XT was cancelled after MY2009, and internal competition was eliminated. Forester XT should have picked up that mantle, and carried it. Even if it wasn't an STI... it should have been at least that. Forester S-Edition in Australia IS that, although 5EAT only. Even with Legacy Spec.B's blue alcantara seats. CVT may be an upgrade over a 4EAT, if this third iteration is reliable. However, that is hardly bragging rights to tout, and I am more interested in what version of AWD hardware it will have. It is being noticed, and reported in the media, that fewer people, especially fewer young people are buying cars AT ALL... and the baby-boomers that pushed the retro muscle car craze are retiring and buying fewer cars also, and the retro phase is waning a bit... At some point enthusiasts will be the only ones left interested in buying new cars. Some of them still seek manual gearboxes. Subaru may want to remember it, and not kill off all of them. |
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Hip, for the love of God, will you PLEASE stop showing off that sexy beast!?!!??
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I bought a 2010 vehicle with an automatic transmission just this past month. I currently own a 1992 Legacy with a 4EAT and a '06 Mazda5 with a 4EAT. You missed the point of my comment entirely before you went off on your idiotic name-calling session. The 4EAT being sold in the 2013 Subaru Forester is the same transmission that debuted on the 1992 Subaru Legacy. Yup, that was 21 years ago. The Forester is the only vehicle in Subaru's lineup still using that antiquated relic from the pre-OBDII days and it has been the only vehicle in the segment saddled with a 4 speed automatic as the only auto option. The Honda CR-V got a 5 speed automatic in 2004 (that's 9 model years ago, to those of you keeping score at home).. and the Toyota RAV4 got a 5 speed auto for the upgraded engine in 2006 (7 years ago). The only thing Subaru has addressed with the Forester since it was redesigned in '09 was to add a seat height adjustment to the passenger side since the '09 seat was mounted so low that shorter passengers were getting motion sickness riding in them. It needs some serious updates.. and I pity anyone buying a '13 model because it's not competitive with other new car offerings. Yes, the 4EAT can be a very durable transmission (assuming it has a cooler fitted)... but it significantly slows down the vehicle compared to a 5 speed transmission or CVT and hurts fuel efficiency (which is a major deal in today's market). |
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[quote=Calamity Jesus;38074158]...buying a '13 model because it's not competitive with other new car offerings.
quote] Please elaborate. Are you talking JUST about MPG? I'm curious because if it is sooooo bad, why are people STILL buying it? The average Subaru buyer(especially ours) does comparative shopping. They must be finding something about those other "better" cars that they don't like. Obviously there is something about this car that they do like or it wouldn't have the sales it does. For an AWD vehicle, the MPG is still competative. Sure, others have finally surpased Subaru, but since the 4EAT is sooo old, I think that is pretty good. With that said, I think the next Forester will be as big a hit as the current Impreza. |
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[quote=Engineer99;38076680]The Forester starts at $20,900 with AWD (obviously), it has a price advantage over most other AWD CUVs. Heck, some CUVs have a higher MSRP for FWD models...
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