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Old 05-14-2013, 07:23 PM   #551
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Boosted tuning in Chico ca said I should do a road tune. Not REMOTE. You really don't know what that means!!?
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:09 AM   #552
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lol who is this guy?
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:20 AM   #553
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I took 30 gal of e with me to the track. that was enough for a full day and able to get back home. not tha tbig of a deal really.
Nice, sounds like there is a possibility of keeping / buying supply out at the track. Which would be way better obviously.

I ran E85 when the draper pump had it in my 08. Availability has been why I haven't till now. Running pump gas has proven to be problematic as it turns out we have ****ty pump gas in utah, who knew?

110 in the pump didn't make any more power then 91 given how much timing it took to just meet what I made on 91. Not to mention it is spendy. There are other options obviously, but E85 will probably work for me given that I don't drive my sti alot.

Although a new job may change that

How does one go about talking a local station into installing an e85 pump?
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:57 AM   #554
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lol who is this guy?
Jay @boostedtuning
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:20 AM   #555
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Boosted tuning in Chico ca said I should do a road tune. Not REMOTE. You really don't know what that means!!?

Sounds like he is the one selling you something .
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:26 AM   #556
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110 in the pump didn't make any more power then 91 given how much timing it took to just meet what I made on 91. Not to mention it is spendy. There are other options obviously, but E85 will probably work for me given that I don't drive my sti alot.
This statement doesn't make any sense to me. Unless your talking about 2 totally different set ups, one with a larger turbo on 91. I've seen 110 run damn close to MBT on most subaru set ups, if not really close to it. E85 (70) seems to have no issue going right past MBT without issue. But on the 08 if you didn't have cam phasing dialed, this lack of power would make more sense.

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How does one go about talking a local station into installing an e85 pump?
Convince the owner to put one in. I tried at all the local stations, but opening costs around 15-20k seem to keep people at bay. There are tax incentives for the station owner.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:29 AM   #557
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He also does remote tunes
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:41 PM   #558
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Boosted tuning in Chico ca said I should do a road tune. Not REMOTE. You really don't know what that means!!?
Seriously man you don't have to be a dick head. I have been around for a long time. I have tuned countless E85/91 cars here in Utah as well as "REMOTE" I don't see what the difference is. your statement was
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Also I think I have an aftermarket pump. I was told not to do a remote tune with my setup.
I don't see how it matters. If you have a wideband and tactrix cable what's the difference between having the tuner sit in the car with you or in my Lazyboy at home? I can see what you car is doing in the log regardless of where I am physically sitting.
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Old 05-15-2013, 04:13 PM   #559
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I wasn't asking who the tuner was, I was asking who you are lol.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:44 PM   #560
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who knows a service station owner in slc that we could tak into buying e85 for their pump
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:38 PM   #561
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This statement doesn't make any sense to me. Unless your talking about 2 totally different set ups, one with a larger turbo on 91. I've seen 110 run damn close to MBT on most subaru set ups, if not really close to it. E85 (70) seems to have no issue going right past MBT without issue. But on the 08 if you didn't have cam phasing dialed, this lack of power would make more sense.


Its actually logical, higher oct. slower burn rate, needs more timing. Running a DOM1.5 and it just isn't big enough to be able to make alot of boost so timing was the only diference. MBT required so much more timing advance it wasn't able to make much more power.

Also it was specifically the 110 out of the draper pump, the sunco 110 makes power but isn't available right by my house.
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:24 PM   #562
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I made a ton of power out of the 110 off the draper pump.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:18 AM   #563
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Its actually logical, higher oct. slower burn rate, needs more timing. Running a DOM1.5 and it just isn't big enough to be able to make alot of boost so timing was the only diference. MBT required so much more timing advance it wasn't able to make much more power.

Also it was specifically the 110 out of the draper pump, the sunco 110 makes power but isn't available right by my house.
I've got 4 fuel cans full of e70 from Orem I will sell you. PM me if you are interested.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:36 AM   #564
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I made a ton of power out of the 110 off the draper pump.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:27 AM   #565
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Its actually logical, higher oct. slower burn rate, needs more timing. Running a DOM1.5 and it just isn't big enough to be able to make alot of boost so timing was the only diference.
I think your confusing auto-ignition temperature vs flame speed. It's common to confuse race gas with say nitro-methane which actually burns slower. But gasoline based fuels burn at fairly similar rates, depending on additives etc. This doesn't go into thermal output of said fuel. So all that octane accomplishes is increasing the amount of temperature/pressure the gas can handle before it ignites.

Of the several dom1.5 set ups i've tuned the difference between 91 and 110+ octane is around 4-5 degrees of timing to achieve MBT (depending on how much the 91 map was pushed). E85 is different in terms of MBT, but it's very similar to leaded gases in terms of being able to significantly advance timing past MBT. Most race gases get the octane from Tetraethyllead(same with aviation). And as far as boost is concerned try 23-24lbs on pump and 28+ on some higher octane and see how she goes (i'm assuming a built motor here ).

This same misconception is present with E85, that it burns slower. When in fact it burns amazingly faster:

http://www.epa.gov/OMS/presentations/gni-mjb-051303.pdf


Scroll down to slide 9.


This with it's lambda of 9.0 before adding in gasoline makes E85 an amazing gas! Pack that cylinder with lots of cooling and make it escape quickly! Then there are the oxygenated fuels, the Ethanol and race gas blends etc.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:32 PM   #566
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I made a ton of power out of the 110 off the draper pump.
I am making 480 off pump gas and 15 psi at this time.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:36 PM   #567
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If it doesn't burn slower then why does it require more advance to make the same MBT?

Exactly that was the plan, but the turbo just wouldn't make that much boost. Duno what the issue is, maybe its the equal length setup and the bigger hotside combo. Thats why I couldn't make alot more power. I couldn't run alot more boost then what I was running on pump.
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If it doesn't burn slower then why does it require more advance to make the same MBT?

Exactly that was the plan, but the turbo just wouldn't make that much boost. Duno what the issue is, maybe its the equal length setup and the bigger hotside combo. Thats why I couldn't make alot more power. I couldn't run alot more boost then what I was running on pump.
You can't run MBT(maximum timing for best torque) for the motor on 91. Add octane and you can crank it closer (maybe even to) MBT. Your power output should be almost identical on a pump map switching it to 110. Then start cranking it up .

I'm not sure why your turbo won't run that much boost, even with a 14.7lb wg you should still be able to hit 24-25ish psi. With the 110(or other increased sources of octane) there are other methods to increase power output safely. There is no reason for your car to have less output on race gas, unless the tune was set up that way.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:14 PM   #569
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I was talking to the Manager at Jensens Oil on redwood and about 4800 south. They said if we got a petition together of all the E85 enthusiasts and it substantial enough, they would consider doing a tank up here. They said that their concern with doing this is that nobody would buy it and the product would "spoil" before it sold.

I would be game for E85 at Jensen's oil on Redwood.
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:46 AM   #570
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503 on a stock location old school fp red at 25 psi. probably gonna switch to e85 if we can get some going in the valley.

im trying to contact some station owners but that takes time.

whats good petition site that we could point all the local clubs to?
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How many signatures does he want?
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Old 05-17-2013, 03:45 PM   #572
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I have no clue how to go about doing it. Maybe if we just had them hang a sign and we went in with signatures at the location?
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:17 PM   #573
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Maybe create a new thread for signatures, post a link to where it is located on google maps. Go around to different forums whoring out the link etc. I'm sure you'll get enough e-signatures. There is most definitely a potential market for E-85 in SLC valley.
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I was talking to the Manager at Jensens Oil on redwood and about 4800 south. They said if we got a petition together of all the E85 enthusiasts and it substantial enough, they would consider doing a tank up here. They said that their concern with doing this is that nobody would buy it and the product would "spoil" before it sold.

I would be game for E85 at Jensen's oil on Redwood.
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