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08-10-2009, 11:56 PM | #1 |
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Head Gasket Job Rate/Cost?
I was quoted at my local dealership ~$1500 to do the head gaskets on my 2.5 NA (SOHC) including parts & labor, and they said they send the heads off for machining. They would completely R&R the engine for this, and do the timing belt for cost of parts as it is off anyway.
I was told also that for warranty work (like low-mileage HG failures), they can do it quickly with the engine still on the car and do not do any machine work...I have heard anywhere from $500 to $1000 for this. Any one have either one done at the dealer, and what was the cost and average turnaround time? Cost at an Independent shop? My car was sideswiped by a Semi on Thursday, damage not too terrible, and I am debating on keeping it or not, and at 199525 miles I may just do a HG job along with timing belt, but need to look at cost depending on how much they give me for repairs and whether they declare a Total Loss or not. Thanks!
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08-11-2009, 12:08 AM | #2 |
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I would not spend that kind of money on a car with that many miles that has significant accident damage that also requires repair.
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08-11-2009, 12:28 AM | #3 |
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Not significant damage...estimate using all SOA parts & high labor was $1800.....actual damage is a wheel cover, some scuffs on the side mirror and fender, and a missing mud flap and fender liner. You can hardly tell. They may Total it because of the repair cost though. I love this car, and it's hard to find a Wagon with a 5-speed. I'd like to keep the car if I can.
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08-11-2009, 10:07 AM | #4 | |
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08-11-2009, 03:34 PM | #6 |
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Have you ever had a car that was in a relatively significant accident that was 'fixed' via an insurance claim that you were 100% (not 95%, not 98%) satisfied after the repairs were performed. I'm going to answer the question for you....either A) you have never been in a bad enough accident or B) no.
When an insurance company pays a shop to fix a car, you are in the middle and have very little clout to make sure it is done right. If you allow it to get fixed, yes, you may think that if you are dissatisfied, its under warranty but then the shop tells you to contact the insurance company. The insurance company tells you that the claim is close and the monies have been disbursed. Then you start raising hell with the shop and they tell you that they did what they could do with the money that the insurance company sent them and if you want that b-pillar molding to stop rattling then you would have had to have the insurance company send more money from the get go. It turns into such a head ache, that most people give up and live with it. I'm more proactive than that if I were to get into an accident that resulted in myself being in this situation, which hasn't happened. But in every case I have known of where the damage was bordering totaling or not totaling, the person involved was not satisfied with the repairs. I was just voicing my knowledge based on numerous situations that I personally know of, so someone (the OP) is aware of a small subset of people in this same situation and how their situation materializes. |
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to the OP...sell the car
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d00000000000d......you are just not in reality and 'borderline totaled' is totaled a bent ****ing fender is just that a competent person can take 5 total wrecks and make 2 cars outa them that you would never be able to tell they were wrecked |
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08-11-2009, 08:20 PM | #9 |
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The fender is not even dented, it just has huge tire rubs on it. The car is dark blue, if I posted a picture (I did in the TXIC forum), you can't even tell it was hit other than more tire rub on the wheel cover.
Anyone have info on the HG rates? |
08-11-2009, 08:40 PM | #10 | |
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"a competent person can take 5 total wrecks and make 2 cars outa them that you would never be able to tell they were wrecked" This is true in theory but not true in reality and there is significant empirical evidence to back up said claim. The point about a bent fender is simply a bent fender doesn't account for the impulse force applied to every sprung item of mass on the vehicle. This will expose itself as trim buzzes and rattles and suspension clunks and pops 5k, 10k, 15k miles down the road. |
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08-11-2009, 08:42 PM | #11 |
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In reference to your original question, if the heads are truely getting machined and rebuilt (what does R&R entail for this case) plus HGs and timing belt job (tensioners and water pump?), 1800 doesn't seem completely out of line.
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08-11-2009, 09:37 PM | #12 |
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Tell me more about why you need your headgaskets done. The amount of time and parts needed can vary significantly. It could be as simple as a one headgasket needing replaced to requiring new rings/bearings and the cylinder bored out for larger pistons because it was sucking water into the combustion chamber and overheated too badly.
You shouldnt have mentioned the body damage crap because Nastycock is full of nitpickers. |
08-11-2009, 09:43 PM | #13 | |
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08-11-2009, 09:52 PM | #14 |
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It was a poor choice of words. What I meant by 'make' was convincing the insurance company that the car is worth less than what they think it is worth or that the damage is going to be more costly due to a, b, and c that the body/repair shop did not take into account in their estimate.
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08-11-2009, 10:05 PM | #15 |
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It's a '00 and is known for external HG weeps, mine started weeping (scent of coolant on the header) at about 185K miles, but no coolant loss or internal mixing, no overheating, and no phosphorous/sodium in the oil analysis. BUT if I want to keep the car for a long time, I was planning on HG around 200K anyway, and this may be a way to (partially) fund it before I have to via catastrophic failure.
I always thought I might do a junkyard Turbo setup and go with lower CR pistons if I ever had to take the motor apart...shrug.... |
08-12-2009, 12:20 PM | #16 |
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The standard labor time for both headgaskets is 9 hours...
Most mechanics can do it faster and if you replace everything you should I'd guess it would cost closer to 1300. You said 500-1000 so should I assume you are only going to do one? If you are doing it as "preventative maintenance" then I'd strongly suggest you replace both headgaskets, both crank/rod seals, the tensioner and all pulleys, water pump, valve cover gaskets, intake/exhaust gaskets etc If you are considering to do lower compression pistons then you should grab some new bearings and rings while you are at it. |
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Actually, he is pretty much right from my experiences. The paint almost never matches exactly, the car is never the same, and the resale takes a huge hit. My family has been through this on several vehicles over the last 30 years and all had to be dumped after several visits back to the dealer's collision center or wherever the car was repaired still leading to a sub par repair. $10K of damage on a $30K vehicle is nowhere near totalled but will almost always leave you with a car that has serious issues down the road. There is one place around here (non dealer) that can get the paint perfect, but if the car was hit hard it will never be the same again. Edit: Now if it's just a dented fender as you later say, then as long as you have a GREAT paint guy you will be OK. Last edited by K Dub; 08-12-2009 at 03:32 PM. |
08-12-2009, 05:53 PM | #19 | |
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09rex===> sounds like your bodyshops are just plain bad in your area $5k is nothing for a CRV estimate(not to minimize you mom's axx) if the bodyshop didnt fix it right, dont bitch about the insurance comapany, bitch about the shop that did not rpr the damage correctly. or did not give proper customer service to your family. insurance companies PAY for the damage to be REPAIRED not REPAIR the DAMAGE caused by they're at fault insured signed insurance dmg appraiser for 12years |
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08-12-2009, 07:45 PM | #20 | |
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My times are from Mitchel OnDemand which is the defacto standard. It is the most popular (by far) software for estimations,,, among other things. |
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08-12-2009, 08:04 PM | #21 | |
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Pre accident, the car was probably only worth 16-17k. How is it that they didn't total it since even 5k is more than 20-25%? This is regardless of the fact that the repairs probably required even more repairs than the quote. So what power does the person not at fault in the accident have over a crappy situation like this? Next to none. I'm glad my wife got me grandfathered into USAA. I know this wouldn't happen to me. My brother an law totaled an e36 M3 that he paid 14k for, USAA gave him 17k for it and then he bought a one year older e36 M3 and his parents premium end up going DOWN! |
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08-12-2009, 10:22 PM | #23 |
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PERFECT, Mitchell numbers and actual experience is what I was looking for.
Hofle-- I was trying to get Richard to put your GC engine in my Legacy when it was last there for paint, but no dice I didn't know you were in insurance, we need to talk, maybe you can assist with the negotiations...It's been one week, and I JUST got a claim # and they are waiting on statement from the other driver to "determine liability" before they even come out to look at the car. Gillman Subaru SW estimated $1800 in external damage not including any bent suspension components. I would not consider doing only one HG, it's both or nothing. I am not planning on doing a full engine rebuild, just enough to get it running another 100K reliably. The turbo comments were only a far-off dream, this is a daily driver and I autocross plenty faster vehicles at a National level. |
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