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11-18-2012, 10:13 AM | #1 |
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TMIC upgrade as supporting mod--At stage 1 only?
Is there any merit to upgrading to the PW TMIC on a car that will stay at stage one only?
My rationale being that I want the car to be as reliable as possible at stage one (maybe eventual stage 2) levels, and that the upgraded TMIC as a "supportive mod" may provide a little more reliability/cooling/performance. Overkill, perhaps--but it's worth it to me for the peace of mind that I am providing the car as much as I can to be able to sustain stage 1 power for a LONG time. Thanks everyone.
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11-18-2012, 10:25 AM | #2 |
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If u want the car to be as reliable as possible.. skip stage 1 ots map and get a Protune; a tune tailored for your car.
After market tmic is a waste if you don't plan on pushing your car to its limits. |
11-18-2012, 10:39 AM | #3 | |
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Would the improved function of the PW TMIC not allow for (hypothetically, at least) more longevity for the motor at even sustained stage 1 power? |
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11-18-2012, 10:44 AM | #4 | |
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11-18-2012, 10:48 AM | #5 | |
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I suspect that the TMIC with an OTS stage 1 map could possibly throw something off by enough to either cause damage or unwanted behavior. Less pressure drop also means higher than expected boost, or boost sooner than expected. |
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11-18-2012, 11:01 AM | #6 | |
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I can see where an OTS tune like the TP stage 1 may allow for higher boost with the TMIC, but perhaps some logs an tweaks from eric may rectify that. For me, it's all about reliabilty and longevity--not necessarily max power. Although, the mods would be in place should I want to at some point... |
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11-18-2012, 11:09 AM | #7 |
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Lots of misinformation in here. A bigger TMIC is not needed, but it does help. You can go with a TMIC on stage 1 through Perrin IIRC. Stage 1 maps are not dangerous. Stock maps are worse than stage one. To the OP, research before you do anything and take NASIOC with a grain of salt.
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11-18-2012, 11:41 AM | #8 | |
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Yes cooler air helps but if you not heating it up with an aggressive tune...? Why drop the money on something that oem unit can handle or sti tmic? Deep pockets? |
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11-18-2012, 11:49 AM | #9 |
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Not exactly DEEP pockets.
Let's say someone "gifted" you the TMIC, but you had no early intentions of going beyond stage 1. Would you NOT install the TMIC because it's "not necessary"? Certainly the cooler air is helpful above and beyond what the stocker can provide, no? |
11-18-2012, 12:04 PM | #10 |
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Obviously if its free... i would install it. Would i buy it for extra insurance for stage 1 or stage 2...no.
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11-18-2012, 12:39 PM | #11 |
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You are ASSUMING that a bigger intercooler will give you cooler air first off. And you are also assuming that cooler air is better for longevity. Those are two assumptions. If you were REALLY concerned about longevity, you'd have already installed an oil bypass unit on your car, but you don't have one do you? Pick your battles. It is 99.86% likely you will sell or wreck your car within 3 years, so why put the lotion in the basket over this or any longevity issue? Why am I coming at you like this?
I have owned my Subaru since 2003. I have 165,000 miles on the odometer. I have double stock horsepower. I pour Walmart oil in my car and my oil filter costs $1.88. Pouring money into "longevity aids" is like shaking hands with the unemployed. My thoughts, my opinion, your mileage may vary, void in Canada, come at me bro. |
11-18-2012, 01:17 PM | #12 | |
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I didn't assume that bigger = cooler = better longevity. I inquired if it makes sense. Had I assumed/decided those things, I would not have inquired--I would have bought one by now. IF indeed those assumptions are at least theoretically accurate (though not proven), then I would consider picking one up. I would guess that for those folks that intend to keep the car beyond the 3 years you suggested, they would consider an upgraded TMIC indeed for "insurance" and longevity... Remember please, I'm new here and to Subaru. I am grateful for the dialog and replies from everyone so far. Last edited by Syndr78; 11-18-2012 at 01:29 PM. |
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11-18-2012, 01:23 PM | #14 |
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11-18-2012, 05:07 PM | #15 |
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So the question remains. Upgraded IC WILL create cooler air which does translate to increased performance and longevity of the motor at any given stage...Even stage 1?
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11-18-2012, 05:18 PM | #16 |
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i would think any increase in tmic efficiency would help in the long run. is it worth $950??thats up to your wallet.
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11-18-2012, 05:24 PM | #17 |
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You do know stock unmodified motors still blow up right?
Keep it stock. I'm sure Subaru and its engineers did there home work and your car is fine as it is |
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11-18-2012, 07:11 PM | #19 |
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In my research I've been told that a larger aftermarket TMIC on a stock or "stage 1" car will increase turbo lag. I'm sure a protune could help this, but doubt an OTS map would. Just something else to consider.
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11-18-2012, 08:00 PM | #20 |
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it will only be cause of larger inside dimensions of the core.if you think thats gonna cause a noticeable change in lag, there is no way!
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11-18-2012, 08:14 PM | #21 |
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Save hundereds of dollars and get the "bullet proof" mod for your stock top mount. Youll have less heat soak then the aftermarket intercoolers and can run just as much psi.
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11-18-2012, 08:16 PM | #22 |
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how are you gonna have less heatsoak then a larger quality tmic? get a turbo blanket. not with a small oem tmic.
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11-18-2012, 08:38 PM | #23 |
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No need for a fmic, No need for a larger tmic. But do what you want. the bigger the ic the more the delay.
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