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MT Pure Highway 20-22 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Pure Highway 23-25 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Pure Highway 26-28 | 2 | 3.85% | |
MT Pure Highway 29-31 | 3 | 5.77% | |
MT Pure Highway 32-34 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Pure Highway 35-37 | 5 | 9.62% | |
MT Pure Highway 38-40+ | 2 | 3.85% | |
CVT Pure Highway 20-22 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure Highway 23-25 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure Highway 26-28 | 1 | 1.92% | |
CVT Pure Highway 29-31 | 3 | 5.77% | |
CVT Pure Highway 32-34 | 6 | 11.54% | |
CVT Pure Highway 35-37 | 5 | 9.62% | |
CVT Pure Highway 38-40+ | 3 | 5.77% | |
MT Mixed 20-22 | 0 | 0% | |
MT Mixed 23-25 | 2 | 3.85% | |
MT Mixed 26-28 | 5 | 9.62% | |
MT Mixed 29-31 | 9 | 17.31% | |
MT Mixed 32-34 | 4 | 7.69% | |
MT Mixed 35-37 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Mixed 38-40+ | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Mixed 20-22 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Mixed 23-25 | 5 | 9.62% | |
CVT Mixed 26-28 | 10 | 19.23% | |
CVT Mixed 29-31 | 10 | 19.23% | |
CVT Mixed 32-34 | 2 | 3.85% | |
CVT Mixed 35-37 | 1 | 1.92% | |
CVT Mixed 38-40+ | 0 | 0% | |
MT Pure City 17-19 | 0 | 0% | |
MT Pure City 20-22 | 0 | 0% | |
MT Pure City 23-25 | 4 | 7.69% | |
MT Pure City 26-28 | 3 | 5.77% | |
MT Pure City 29-31 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Pure City 32-34 | 0 | 0% | |
MT Pure City 35-37+ | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure City 17-19 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure City 20-22 | 1 | 1.92% | |
CVT Pure City 23-25 | 8 | 15.38% | |
CVT Pure City 26-28 | 2 | 3.85% | |
CVT Pure City 29-31 | 1 | 1.92% | |
CVT Pure City 32-34 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure City 35-37+ | 0 | 0% | |
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03-17-2013, 07:57 AM | #26 |
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Everyone except flyboy1100 appeared able to understand what was going on. Nobody else voted more than 3 times, which would be the normal thing to do. flyboy1100 voted 7 times. So, I took out his entries and re-ran the numbers. Here are the new answers:
MTH 36.75 CTH 34.50 MTM 29.80 CTM 28.59 MTC 27.00 CTC 24.75 A couple of things pop out. One is that the numbers are surprisingly close to the EPA estimates - only reversed. That is, within one mpg, all of the answers to our little poll here match the other transmission. The other thing is that applying the range difference, the MT5 appears to fall within the variability of the "other 12" in the CVT Problem thread. I guess it's no wonder the MT5 people were saying the complaints of the CVT people were in our imagination - they're getting our numbers!!! (that's what they said when they were being nice anyway).
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I voted for summer/winter conditions, hence 6 votes |
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I responded to the poll, but only to the MT mixed, because all of my driving involves a little bit of city and a little bit of highway.
So we have 32 respondents, including me, and about 80,000 Imprezas on the road. I think it is safe to say we can start drawing conclusions from this data! Last edited by Zeeper; 03-17-2013 at 09:44 AM. |
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Updated results with 35 voters, 72 votes (not counting flyboy of course):
24.90 _____ CVT City 26.00 _____ MT City 28.20 _____ CVT Mixed 29.80 _____ MT mixed 33.75 _____ CVT Highway 35.40 _____ MT Highway So, the MT gets 1.5 mpg better than the CVT (all weighted the same), which means that since the CVT is rated at 2 above the MT, it is still getting 3.5 better than the CVT compared to its "EPA" rating. Or, in other words the MT gets over 2 mpg above its EPA rating while the CVT gets 1.5 below its rating... |
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Guess what douchebag, the poll allowed multiple votes, I voted for summer and winter of actual mpg my car achieves. Your stats are **** anyway, get a life.
There are 35 people who voted, some voted multiple times, some only once. There was very little guidance as to what OP wanted. How many imprezas are actually on the road vs the people who have voted I this poll? The sample size is too small to have any statistical importance Last edited by flyboy1100; 03-20-2013 at 12:12 AM. |
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And another purse hitting thread starts.
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2013 compact 4 door sedans
2013 Subaru Impreza 2.0 CVT 27/36 Impreza 2.0 manual 25/34/28 WRX 19/25/21 WRX STI 17/23 /19 Audi A4 quattro 20/30/24 Audi TT quattro 23/31/26 BMW 328i xDrive 22/33/26 BMW 335i xDrive A 21/31/24 Lexus IS 250- 20/27/23 Lexus IS 350 19/26/22 Mini Countryman coupe All4 a 23/30/26 Mini Countryman coupe All4, m 25/31/27 Mitsubishi Lancer 22/29/25 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo auto 17/22/19 Suzuki SX4 auto 23/29/25 Suzuki SX4 manual 22/30/25 2013 small 5 door hatchbacks Subaru Impreza A 27/36/30; M 25/33/28 Subaru Crosstrek auto 25/33/28; Subaru Crosstrek manual 23/30/26 Subaru WRX 19/25/21; Subaru WRX STI 17/23/19 Audi A3 Quattro 23/30/25 BMW 328i xDrive sport wagon 17/25/20 Infiniti EX37 17/24/20 Infiniti EX35 17/24/20 Jeep Patriot 21/26/23 Mini Countryman S All4- manual 25/31/27 Mini Countryman All4 Auto 23/30/26 Nissan Juke 25/30/27 Suzuki SX4 23/29/25 http://www.cars101.com/subaru/imprez...ml#fueleconomy Even if the cvt impreza does not get its epa numbers it still comes out ahead when compared with its other awd counterparts. |
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For anyone who wants to do analysis with more data, here are the last 20 fuel-ups for every driver of a 2012/2013 Impreza from fuelly. As of this morning the data includes 276 drivers and 3,931 fill-ups. Data includes transmission types and per-driver averages as well. Since this argument is going to last forever we might as well use real data. |
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If you don't have that you aren't even blowing smoke, you are just admitting you don't even know how to compare the EPA numbers with the real world numbers. |
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the numbers quoted were epa, I don't have a cr membership but if I did I would grab the real world mpg for those specific cars that would be a proper comparison, 4 door awd sedans and 5 door awd hatchbacks then I would be aware if I spent my money wisely on my awd vehicle.
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I didn't say that wasn't the case.
Last time I looked at it the CVT vs. 5MT averages were very close, slightly favoring 5MT. The variance of the CVT drivers was larger - there were more of them getting both better and worse mileage than the 5MT drivers. The 5MT drivers were more tightly clustered around the average. This new data includes more drivers and more fuel-ups so it could have changed. I don't have time to go through the data again right now. I just wanted to post it so that we could at least have as much data as possible for these discussions. Last edited by BigFatHorse; 03-21-2013 at 04:57 PM. Reason: Clarification / elaboration |
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On Fuely the '13 Impreza gets better mileage with the CVT, and has a significantly bigger sample size. |
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And no, the MT gets better mpg than the CVT on fuelly. |
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As far as the numbers on Fuelly go, you better do the math on that, because I did, and you're wrong. Autos got better mileage for the '13, and that's with having a sample size five times bigger than that for manuals. |
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The fun thing is he throws out his theory, and others start quoting it as fact, because, hey, they heard somewhere that 5speeds do better than the CVT, and everyone knows that CVT's do lousy in the MPG department (please ignore the CVT drivers who then pipe in that they are getting good mileage, and it may be because of the type of driving they do or how they drive it). I among others started laughing at him on the MPG Warranty thread when he posted his personal scangauge results showing he could achieve 36mpg at 60mph, after he had already told us it was completely impossible. He is mad because he drives average speeds above 70mph and the car does not return EPA numbers for his type of driving. So in this case he is right, driving at the speeds he drives it will be impossible for him to get those EPA numbers. What he misses in his personal theory/fact is that the 5 speed turns higher RPM than a CVT at the same highway speeds, so his MPG's would be even worse with a 5 speed for his type of driving, but those are facts that do not comport with his version of reality. So for him 5 speeds do better than CVT's for MPG's, that is a fact! Last edited by Zeeper; 03-22-2013 at 06:54 AM. |
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