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Old 06-08-2016, 07:47 PM   #51
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:35 PM   #52
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And now they also said they are not releasing flex fuel ots maps so that's a waste of money buying the parts for it.
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Old 06-08-2016, 10:05 PM   #53
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Its a shame it seems that cobb is "jumping ship". I feel bad for all of the reputable e-tuners. As for the flex fuel... I'm not surprised at all.
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Old 06-09-2016, 12:15 AM   #54
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... Besides, it's for off-road use only.
"off-road use only" doesn't really fly anymore. Makers of DPF delete kits for Diesel trucks found that out..
https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/edge...llc-settlement
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Old 06-09-2016, 01:59 AM   #55
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Gotta take care of those who pay the 250 a month licensing fee.

I am sure if it ever returns, ATR will be an additional cost (like 150 that the Focus ST guys pay), making the whole thing close to 1k investment. That's outrageous. Too bad Cobb hired the Opensource guys, can you say cornering the market? Would love to see someone like HPTuners or EFILive get into the import market. Would shake things up quite a bit.
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Old 06-09-2016, 04:34 PM   #56
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Not that it will do much good when they force you to update your firmware with supposed premise of new features i bet that its going to lock out the old versions of accesstuner. I currently have accestuner pro, accesstuner race for 02-03 wrx and for 04 sti now. its a good idea to backup your install files and DO NOT UPGRADE YOUR FIRMWARE until you are sure you like where this is going.

The thread that was going about people was looking for accesstuner has been locked showing nasioc stance with the vendor.
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Old 06-09-2016, 04:50 PM   #57
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Not going to help getting other people accesstuner race as they're locked to the AP serial number.

And too bad a lot of the good rom raider community was hired on by Cobb.
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Old 06-09-2016, 04:56 PM   #58
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It is not locked to an AP serial.
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Old 06-09-2016, 05:07 PM   #59
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It is not locked to an AP serial.
Just the year of the car?

I thought it would only certify maps for the specific serial number.
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Old 06-09-2016, 05:12 PM   #60
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No, just by year model because of ECU differences. When you install the software is checks the serial and adds it to the registry. Thats why it asks for your serial upon install, then once the software is fully installed it checks the accessport against the serial data stored.

If you have had the same version installed on a pc before hand and had a accessport in the registry sometimes it will not allow you to change it, Delete the registry entries or start with a fresh pc.

It does not know ahead of time. The reason you have to submit a request is im sure they want you to have the right software version cause the basemap could cause you a bricked ecu, engine damage, etc...
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Old 06-09-2016, 11:25 PM   #61
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Seems like people are getting upset based on speculations. Why not reserve judgement until all the facts are in?

If you were using ATR to tune cars and getting paid for it (something that I have done myself), that is not the intended purpose of the software so, if it gets a bit more inconvenient with the update, deal with it.

If ATR becomes a purchased/licensed product, that shouldn't really affect people who want to tune their own car. I mean, how much is an cold air intake, TMIC, or even simple phenolic spacers? People expect to pay for "hardware" so why wouldn't you expect to pay for software? Sure, it was great when it was a free download but, can't be surprised if it changes.

As for the comments that Cobb hiring Open Source contributors, instead of lamenting on how things used to be "free", maybe you should be happy for them, that they are doing what they enjoy, are good at, and making a living at it. There are still a lot of activity at RomRaider so that is still a viable option.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:45 AM   #62
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Many years ago [2004 or 2005] with APv1, what is now known as ATR was was called StreetTuner and it cost $400. A year or so later an upgrade was released, StreetTuner Advanced, and then the normal software cost $150 and the Advanced software cost $400 [free upgrade for those who purchased the original software though].

I was more than happy when ATR came out and it was free, but I would have paid for it if I had to. I use it to tune my own car and I cannot imagine not having it.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:46 AM   #63
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As expensive as the cheaply built AccessPort is, I expect the software to complete it. That is exactly why I bought the AccessPort. Without it, it's like a $200 item, which is still more expensive than my really, really nice and far more capable phone.
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Old 06-11-2016, 03:51 PM   #64
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hey everyone

Does anyone by chance have the download for the 2007 STi ATR file? i need to clear the secondary air pump codes.

if so i would be forever in your dept lol

thanks!
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Old 06-13-2016, 11:41 AM   #65
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I understand how and why everyone is upset here, and I'm concerned myself. But if we take a step back we can see that if this goes the wayside and we can't tune our cars anymore utilizing the accessport that means there are going to be a lot of us shopping for better stand alone solutions. The accessport was great but honestly it wasn't ever an ideal solution. I, like many others got it so I could run a stage two map with my downpipe. A lot of us are probably at the stage where we would benefit from a comprehensive standalone solution anyway. Technology has advance quite a bit over the last decade. This may create enough interest more solutions would be available in the market. I've been eyeing the Infinity for quite awhile. This just gives me the excuse to move forward. Sure it sucks spending the money but we all end up spending a lot of money in this hobby.
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Old 06-13-2016, 11:43 AM   #66
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I talked to the Cobb guys at WBM yesterday, seems like they have no idea what is going on nor when it will be back so I wouldn't hold any breath for it unfortunately..
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:38 PM   #67
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It is not locked to an AP serial.
I just found out the hard way over the weekend that it is. I believe you can do offline map edits for the specific year/model, but to actually do a live connect to ECU for real-time tuning, the downloaded serial must match the married AP serial.

You can get the dashboard working with a mismatched serial no., however - but that's just an OBD read-out, anyhow.
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:42 PM   #68
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Did you try on another machine. Because it isnt. If you have had it Installed before the serial is stored in the registry so it appears to be locked. I have sent the software to over 50 people so far with no issues.
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It also links to access port manager. If that is still installed. If you do it with a fresh Install it will ask you to plug in your access port. Then only then it will be serialized.
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Did you try on another machine. Because it isnt. If you have had it Installed before the serial is stored in the registry so it appears to be locked. I have sent the software to over 50 people so far with no issues.
Tried it on a laptop and PC. I have dual installs (two revisions) on both. One copy of ATR works for live tuning, the other does not. Both are the same year/make/model downloads.

Checking the log file in ATR after a failed ECU connection confirmed the 5-digit serial was not the 'married' value.

The earlier of the two revisions to ATR was the one that would not connect; perhaps this was changed on later rev.
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Old 06-13-2016, 11:21 PM   #71
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The ATR definition files (and the app itself) are encrypted using the Rijndael (now known as AES) algorithm. The source code to their exact implementation can be found on the Code Project website. The block size is 16, the key size is 32, the mode looks to be Cipher Feedback Block. The keys are in the software. The software is decrypted into a DLL form at 0x1000000 (might be another zero) and loaded from there. There is also compression applied (bzip I think) to the files. But you didn't hear that from me.

The Accessport NAND flash is a jffs and/or sqfs (if I remember correctly off the top of my head) filesystem. When you register the unit to a car, it makes a file in one of the filesystems (I can't find my notes). There is an old XBox hack tool that works on the Accessport to read the NAND. But you didn't hear that from me.

The ATP software uses the Sentinel HASP software. The DLL import table is scrambled with that software, but it's possible to rebuild it if you have a lot of time on your hands. I don't. You didn't hear that from me, but you can figure that out just from looking at the driver install package.

It is also possible to marry/unmarry an Accessport with a logic analyzer and an Arduino using a "playback" style attack. You didn't hear that from me either.
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The ATR definition files (and the app itself) are encrypted using the Rijndael (now known as AES) algorithm. The source code to their exact implementation can be found on the Code Project website. The block size is 16, the key size is 32, the mode looks to be Cipher Feedback Block. The keys are in the software. The software is decrypted into a DLL form at 0x1000000 (might be another zero) and loaded from there. There is also compression applied (bzip I think) to the files. But you didn't hear that from me.

The Accessport NAND flash is a jffs and/or sqfs (if I remember correctly off the top of my head) filesystem. When you register the unit to a car, it makes a file in one of the filesystems (I can't find my notes). There is an old XBox hack tool that works on the Accessport to read the NAND. But you didn't hear that from me.

The ATP software uses the Sentinel HASP software. The DLL import table is scrambled with that software, but it's possible to rebuild it if you have a lot of time on your hands. I don't. You didn't hear that from me, but you can figure that out just from looking at the driver install package.

It is also possible to marry/unmarry an Accessport with a logic analyzer and an Arduino using a "playback" style attack. You didn't hear that from me either.
A fellow security researcher I see
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Old 06-14-2016, 11:10 AM   #73
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Not that it will do much good when they force you to update your firmware with supposed premise of new features i bet that its going to lock out the old versions of accesstuner. I currently have accestuner pro, accesstuner race for 02-03 wrx and for 04 sti now. its a good idea to backup your install files and DO NOT UPGRADE YOUR FIRMWARE until you are sure you like where this is going.

The thread that was going about people was looking for accesstuner has been locked showing nasioc stance with the vendor.
We've stated multiple times that existing instances of the software will not be disabled by any update process. There simply will not be any future updates for existing software.

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I talked to the Cobb guys at WBM yesterday, seems like they have no idea what is going on nor when it will be back so I wouldn't hold any breath for it unfortunately..
Who did you speak with? I was at WBM and answered many questions regarding ATR with quite a bit of detail.

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Old 06-14-2016, 11:24 AM   #74
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Then release all the legacy software on your site with a disclaimer.
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We've stated multiple times that existing instances of the software will not be disabled by any update process. There simply will not be any future updates for existing software.



Who did you speak with? I was at WBM and answered many questions regarding ATR with quite a bit of detail.

Marshall@COBB
So with no future updates for existing software or the ability to download the previously released software from your website I am already at a turning point.

But now from your above statement, if I am not mistaken, that also means flex fuel will probably never be available as an option in ATR. Kinda kills the deal for me.

How is that not hurting the end user? Anybody want to buy an Accessport V3 for 02-03? It is only about a year and half old..... I'm thinking I better sell it before it loses all of its value.



I am not sure I like the "new" cobb way.....
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