|
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
02-12-2004, 07:52 AM | #1 | |
*** Banned ***
Member#: 2992
Join Date: Nov 2000
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Connecticut, USA
Vehicle:02 WRX Sedan Silver |
Legacy 3.0R Spec B (6MT) Sedan Prototype to Debut at Geneva
According to http://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/2004_february/12/2034.asp:
Quote:
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
|
|
02-12-2004, 08:34 AM | #2 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 31665
Join Date: Jan 2003
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Northern NJ, USA
Vehicle:2006 Saab 9-2x Aero Black |
only 241?
|
02-12-2004, 08:46 AM | #3 | |
*** Banned ***
Member#: 2992
Join Date: Nov 2000
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Connecticut, USA
Vehicle:02 WRX Sedan Silver |
Quote:
|
|
02-12-2004, 08:57 AM | #4 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5769
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Ellicott City, MD, USA
Vehicle:'09 WRX Prem 5-dr Dark Gray |
Also here
|
02-12-2004, 09:17 AM | #5 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5769
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Ellicott City, MD, USA
Vehicle:'09 WRX Prem 5-dr Dark Gray |
Re: Legacy 3.0R Spec B (6MT) Sedan Prototype to Debut at Geneva
Quote:
Bob |
|
02-12-2004, 10:07 AM | #6 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5769
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Ellicott City, MD, USA
Vehicle:'09 WRX Prem 5-dr Dark Gray |
This poses some interesting questions:
Assuming that this Legacy 3.0 Rn Spec-B does make production (right now it's still concept according to that link):
(1) Should it come to North America (I know, silly question)? (2) If so, should the Legacy GT turbo receive the same upgrades (tranny, suspension, wheels)? (3) If so, should the Legacy GT 5EAT remain with 17" wheels, since it is slightly less sporting, and will appeal to a non-manual, less sporting crowd? (4) My guess is that these should be Legacy exclusives, meaning the Outback XT and Outback H-6 models should NOT receive these upgrades (except for the nav system). Agree or disagree? (5) Should there be *n* versions of all of the above, as well as *non-n* versions? Bob |
02-12-2004, 10:38 AM | #7 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 47014
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: VB
Vehicle:2005 Legacy GT Garnet Red |
H6 + STi 6-speed = heavy car for a Spec B designation.
|
02-12-2004, 11:12 AM | #8 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Oshkosh, WI
Vehicle:2014 BMW 335i Sedan Silver |
It won't be the STi 6MT. Likely the new 'lightweight' 6MT as we've been told is in the pipe, but obviously not quite ready for the USDM debut.
|
02-12-2004, 11:45 AM | #9 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5595
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
HIIC
Location: Honolulu
Vehicle:2015 WRX Ice Silver Metallic |
WOOHOO! Subaru finally figured out how to attach a manual tranny to the H6 engine!!! This is great news!
|
02-12-2004, 11:53 AM | #10 | |
*** Banned ***
Member#: 2992
Join Date: Nov 2000
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Connecticut, USA
Vehicle:02 WRX Sedan Silver |
Quote:
|
|
02-12-2004, 12:08 PM | #11 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 1209
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Wheaton, MD
|
Quote:
than the N/A 2.5? When you take the N/A 2.5 and add the Turbo, the intercooler and the plumbing, is it about the same? Anyone? |
|
02-12-2004, 12:56 PM | #12 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Oshkosh, WI
Vehicle:2014 BMW 335i Sedan Silver |
Actually I thought the EZ30 was only some 30, maybe 40 lbs more than an EJ25, though I could be wrong.
The STi 6MT is one big chunk of beef! I highly doubt the STi 6MT would make it to that car. How many times have these press releases bee wrong on what some might think are small details, but scrutinized heavily by the enthusiasts, us? A bigger pic for ya'll. |
02-12-2004, 12:57 PM | #13 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 18074
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Norman, Oklahoma
Vehicle:2008 Speed3 Black |
I could see the situation where the Impreza 6 speed is in the show car and a lightened version finds its way into a production Legacy. Like you said, maybe the new 6 isn't quite ready but they wanna show the car with a 6 in it at the show.
|
02-12-2004, 02:48 PM | #14 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 37992
Join Date: Jun 2003
Chapter/Region:
RMIC
Location: here?
Vehicle:0609 06STI 09STI 09LegSE 99RS |
Love the idea we *could* get a Spec B, especially as I'd argued long and hard that the parts were all there, just waiting to be bolted on (as even the article seems to confirm).
Very glad we'd get the firmer suspension, better wheel/tires and, of course, that lovely 6MT! Still, for an *enthusiast's car* you'd think it'd be on the turbo, not the NA 6...maybe for EDM it's the H6 to compete with BMWs, etc., and here the USDM Spec B would get the Turbo (let's hope!!). Too bad it still looks like the 3.0R, and not the JDM Spec B, but again...at least we can hope for a USDM twin of the JDM version's style & packaging... Big Question Cost: I'm betting ~$30k to $32,000...quite a profit over the JDM, but still below the Acura TL and other competitors. |
02-12-2004, 03:46 PM | #15 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5769
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Ellicott City, MD, USA
Vehicle:'09 WRX Prem 5-dr Dark Gray |
STi tranny
The STi tranny is heavy because it is beefy and strong, which is exactly what the STi needs. A "lighter" 6-speed most likely won't be as robust. It would most likely be far more cost-effective to use the STi tranny, than offer another completely different unit.
I say use the STi unit, and weight be damned. Bob |
02-12-2004, 03:58 PM | #16 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 4419
Join Date: Feb 2001
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:2002 S2K - 2013 ISP i don't have a wrx |
i dont see any need to build a completely different lighter 6 speed. 85 pounds isnt much.
i'd rather see the 6 speed in the 2.5xt myself. |
02-12-2004, 04:20 PM | #17 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5769
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Ellicott City, MD, USA
Vehicle:'09 WRX Prem 5-dr Dark Gray |
The Baja too
Quote:
BTW, all '05 Nissan Frontier pickups with manual trannys, will be 6-speeds; so I say pass it on to all the Bajas too. Bob Last edited by rsholland; 02-12-2004 at 05:01 PM. |
|
02-12-2004, 04:25 PM | #18 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 2272
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Fire Caves
Vehicle:2019 Macan 4cyl 1993 Impreza FWD WRX swap |
Quote:
|
|
02-12-2004, 04:26 PM | #19 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 2272
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Fire Caves
Vehicle:2019 Macan 4cyl 1993 Impreza FWD WRX swap |
Personally, ill take a H6 with a 6-speed in my car
|
02-12-2004, 05:02 PM | #20 | |
*** Banned ***
Member#: 2992
Join Date: Nov 2000
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Connecticut, USA
Vehicle:02 WRX Sedan Silver |
Quote:
The 3.0 35th Anniv. Wagon weighs 3655 lbs and the Limited Wagon weighs 3575 lbs. That suggests the 3.0L engine weighs about 80 lbs more than the normally aspirated 2.5L. The Forester XT weighs 3250 lbs and the Forester XS weighs 3140 lbs. That suggests the 2.5L turbo engine weighs about 110 lbs more than the normally aspirated 2.5L. Conclusion: the EZ30D engine is about 30 lbs lighter than the EJ255. It's possible the new EZ30R is slightly heavier than the EZ30D, but I'm not too concerned about a 10-20 lbs difference between the new EZ30R and the EJ255. I wonder how much the WRX STi 6MT transmission weighs, compared to the new 5EAT transmission used in the 2005 Legacy and Outback models? Last edited by Jon [in CT]; 02-12-2004 at 05:07 PM. |
|
02-12-2004, 06:18 PM | #21 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 36829
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Greensboro, NC
Vehicle:97 Chevrolet S10 Red |
Re: STi tranny
Quote:
The question that I have, what is the weight difference between the 6 speed manual and the 5 speed auto trannies, that would seem to be more important than the weight differences between the two manual boxes? I would think there the six speed manual would still likely be lighter than the sush box. In any event this is good news and hopefully will expand the Legacy line into the more conservative sports sedan market. There are still a great many buyers that would perfer a NA H6 over a turbo H4 engine. |
|
02-12-2004, 06:20 PM | #22 | |
*** Banned ***
Member#: 2992
Join Date: Nov 2000
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Connecticut, USA
Vehicle:02 WRX Sedan Silver |
Re: Re: STi tranny
Quote:
|
|
02-12-2004, 06:36 PM | #23 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 24043
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Oshkosh, WI
Vehicle:2014 BMW 335i Sedan Silver |
If they offered an EZ30 with a manual, at the very least I'd have to take a very close look. I'd have to really look at cams and whatever else could be thrown on to see if I could hit the 100hp/L barrier with decent torque in all-motor fassion.
|
02-12-2004, 06:41 PM | #24 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 7453
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Bay Area, CA
Vehicle:2014 Scion FR-S Hot Lava |
Quote:
|
|
02-12-2004, 11:58 PM | #25 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 37992
Join Date: Jun 2003
Chapter/Region:
RMIC
Location: here?
Vehicle:0609 06STI 09STI 09LegSE 99RS |
Quote:
Yeah, but not those at altitude, or who simply prefer turbos. If the OB gets all the engine combos, the Spec B would be best if it too offered the buyer a choice of H6 or H4T. The STi 6MT would be ideal in either--it's robust, and it's in production. Why bother making another? |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Reason Why No Legacy 3.0R Spec B in North America | Jon [in CT] | News & Rumors | 37 | 10-16-2005 10:21 PM |
2005 Legacy 3.0R spec.B (6MT, AWD) | west_minist | News & Rumors | 5 | 01-21-2005 02:08 PM |
Legacy 3.0R spec.B just announced in Japan! | rsholland | News & Rumors | 35 | 10-25-2004 06:47 PM |
Driving Impression: Subaru Legacy 3.0R spec.B | NYCshopper | News & Rumors | 9 | 09-21-2004 05:04 PM |
Legacy 3.0R spec B for Europe | Lopinus | News & Rumors | 8 | 02-19-2004 02:36 AM |