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Old 04-06-2012, 05:29 PM   #226
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It's hard to say. On one hand, the small difference in price might be worth it. However, with the BRZ being made in somewhat limited quantities (which, at $25k, isn't out of reach), it's likely that a lot of dealerships will mark up their cars, while the FR-S is not allowed to be marked up due to it being pure pricing (though dealerships might get around that by adding on aftermarket wheels or other non-Scion parts that are marked up). Obviously the smart thing to do would be just to wait until the hype dies down and the mark-ups are gone, but I figure some people will be in the market for a new car around the time of launch, so they may not have that luxury to just hold off.
Indeed, if Subaru limits the production numbers how many folks will actually be able to buy a BRZ in the initial rush at or under the MSRP.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:45 PM   #227
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I always thought built in nav was ridiculous but when I went to upgrade my stereo there was one on sale so I got it, and now I would never go back. The little 4" screen on a phone just doesn't hold a candle to a full 6-7" screen and it's so much easier to have it always there without having to set something up. I don't realize how much I use the map when driving until I get in a car that doesn't have it and keep looking at the radio out of habit. Plus the touchscreen is great for all the bluetooth menus and everything you have to deal with now, trying to do that with a 2 line display and 6 buttons gets old fast.
Unless you update your stereo every 2-3 years, the tech is obsolete that fast.

Most people don't re-vamp their car's electronics that quickly, if at all.

And if a 6-7 inch screen is good, would not a 7.5-9.5 tablet be even better? A GSM+GPS iPad costs less than some in-dash nav systems, and can be used for so much more in addition to navigation.

And in 1-2 years as they cycle through new technology, you hand the old one down to a relative, or sell it on ebay, or whatever, and buy the next device, with newer software, faster processing, and a double-resolution screen, and whatever else.

And as long as it is in a holder, or a passenger is using it, how can a cop tell? You don't exactly hold it up to your ear, and it isn't any different than it being built into the dash... That is why NHTSA/US-DOT is ridiculous.

Cops, truckers, and all sorts of other professional drivers have information systems in their vehicles. Yet they can manage to drive. But cops will pull over someone with a phone or an iPad in a dash-mounted holder, and call it illegal? How is it different than a cop's even more tech'd out cruiser, or, an in-dash navigation and infotainment system, except that it isn't built-in obsoleteness?
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:36 PM   #228
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Maybe for the very, VERY few people who buy a BRZ as an only-car...
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think just as many people will buy it as an only car as they will a weekends/second or third car.
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:54 PM   #229
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Maybe... but the demographics of people who can accept such a small car for an only-vehicle are narrow. I don't even need more passenger space than this, and I am not a normal demographic for my age. Most people my age have a crew of children to haul around, and this car won't work for that, it will barely handle a child seat at all in the rear seats, no-LATCH, and no airbag shutoff for the front passenger.

If you take into account the economic situation of people in that demographic, a lot are 18-30 year old students, or under-employed young single people, who may not be able to financially afford a new car, even if they want one. Rent, and other expenses, and other social life aspects are usually paid first, and that pushes some of those folks toward used cars, rather than more expensive, more depreciating new cars with longer loan terms, and more interest.

As the cars become used, that demographic will likely keep the used price supported, but credit isn't as easy as it once was, and income has flatlined, while costs rise... buying power isn't as high as it used to be.

The people who have money in place to spend on this sort of car right now as it comes out new, or any new car, are increasingly older, with older children, or are empty-nesters, or otherwise haven't had children, and either completely out of the demographic for this car, or if they happen to be enthusiasts, are probably buying it as a weekend toy, not an only car.

And anyone with a cargo-requiring hobby or sporting activity is probably going to look for a vehicle with more cargo capacity, which either means FRS or BRZ won't be the only car, or something else with more cargo capacity WILL be their only car.

there are demographic reasons why sports cars tend not to be mainstream high-unit sellers. They have a big image, but they aren't at the top of the sales stats compared to other vehicles, and not many garages have *only* a sports car in them.

I have a Miata myself, but if I could only have one car, it wouldn't be a Miata, despite that we love it for what it does well. It just isn't versatile enough to be an only-car for us... and I can't imagine that it would be for anyone but a student or young person with very few practical demands.

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Old 04-07-2012, 05:13 PM   #230
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FR-S deliver: $24930. BRZ Premium invoice: $24327. BRZ Premium invoice delivered: $25097.

It's gonna be interesting.
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:05 AM   #231
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FR-S deliver: $24930. BRZ Premium invoice: $24327. BRZ Premium invoice delivered: $25097.

It's gonna be interesting.

What is your source? The press release is talking about $26,245 with destination for the BRZ Premium.

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Old 04-08-2012, 12:13 AM   #232
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What is your source? The press release is talking about $26,245 with destination for the BRZ Premium.
Invoice.. Check the BRZ pricing thread.
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:48 PM   #233
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:44 PM   #234
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That's the IS-F V8, isn't it? I'll allow it.
Since I clearly have the power to allow and not allow swaps.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:58 PM   #235
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That V8 sounds terrible for some reason.
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:48 PM   #236
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Finally, somebody put some good looking wheels on this car.



Make it with those wheels, on an Ultramarine example, and you'd have a very handsome car.

Then just red-out those tail lights... for the love of pete.
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:50 PM   #237
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:38 AM   #238
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Is that supposed to appeal to self-destructive personalities?
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:20 AM   #239
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Hmm, well I could use a new car and a different wife. Sold!
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:01 PM   #240
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Brings tears to my eyes.

It could never air here.

I wonder why Toyota didn't care about alienating women buyers in whatever market this did air in.
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:39 AM   #241
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Fortunately my gf likes the Subaru version, so long its the blue one, which I like too.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:06 PM   #242
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Kinda funny. A great follow-up video should show the wife leaving, doing donuts down the street as they drive off in the GT86, big s***-eating grin on her face
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:47 PM   #243
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My girlfriend would be excited as **** if I got one.
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My girlfriend would be excited as **** if I got one.
Marry her and then report back. Girlfriends aren't usually tied to their boyfriends financially.
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Marry her and then report back. Girlfriends aren't usually tied to their boyfriends financially.
So right. If I bought a car without discussing the family finances first, I'd be the guys in those vids
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I have standing orders to sleep/eat/poop in my FR-S/BRZ should I bring one home without first discussing it with my wife.
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Marry her and then report back. Girlfriends aren't usually tied to their boyfriends financially.

That ring is far, far, faaaaaar from happening. I'm one of those stubborn ******** who is 30 and still dating. I really dig her, but neither of us are in a hurry to get married. I'll be enjoying my money for a bit longer. However, I can understand the consequence if I was married and pulled a 25K dollar stunt like that. Though it is an awesome "hear me roar for I am man" maneuver, it would wreck a relationship if finances were an issue.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:52 PM   #248
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That video isn't far from the truth. .
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That ring is far, far, faaaaaar from happening. I'm one of those stubborn ******** who is 30 and still dating. I really dig her, but neither of us are in a hurry to get married. I'll be enjoying my money for a bit longer. However, I can understand the consequence if I was married and pulled a 25K dollar stunt like that. Though it is an awesome "hear me roar for I am man" maneuver, it would wreck a relationship if finances were an issue.
It's a trap!!!! They act like that, then one day you wake up in a fog on a bed in Las Vegas and POW!! One ring in the darkness binds you.......

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After years of rumors and speculation, Toyota has released a lone computer-generated teaser sketch that previews the FT86 Open Concept. Essentially a convertible version of the GT86 (known as the Scion FR-S in the United States), the FT86 Open is scheduled to make its public debut at the Geneva Motor Show next month.

The teaser sketch reveals very little about the FT86 Open but it confirms that the convertible retains four seats. Whether it comes with a soft top or a retractable hard top is not currently known, though rumors indicate that Toyota has picked the first option in order to save as much weight as possible.



The FT86 is powered by the same 2.0-liter flat-four engine that lurks under the hood of the coupe. Linked to either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic, it sends 200 horsepower and 151 lb-ft. of torque to the rear wheels.

After debuting in Geneva as a thinly-masked concept, the FT86 Open will be added to the Toyota lineup as a regular production model before the end of the year. It will be sold under the Scion banner in the U.S.

Subaru has not indicated whether it will follow suit and the chop the top off of the BRZ.
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