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Old 02-26-2009, 07:15 PM   #26
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definitely come out to cdc if you're looking to have fun. hopefully we can get some longer courses this season.
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Old 02-27-2009, 12:10 AM   #27
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For what's it worth, I disliked running with NER too. I was new to the club, but not to autocross. The events were run poorly, the event organizers I interacted with were not friendly etc. I gave up after two or three events, and stuck to smaller VT and NH clubs.

I went to the NER events for the competition, since usually the bigger clubs have more hot shoes. While there are some, they are spread out over too many classes, and there was no Pro class. I think I ended up "classing up" to SM (in my mild prep STU car) just to have some people to run with. Even then, I would finish 2nd out of 20 cars, usually behind Chris. So, overall, winning in NER wasn't as tough as most other large regions I've been too. You almost had to search out a class to not win.

Hell, even the New Jersey guys ran a better event, and were friendlier too. New Jersey!

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Old 02-27-2009, 01:04 AM   #28
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For what's it worth, I disliked running with NER too. I was new to the club, but not to autocross. The events were run poorly, the event organizers I interacted with were not friendly etc. I gave up after two or three events, and stuck to smaller VT and NH clubs.

I went to the NER events for the competition, since usually the bigger clubs have more hot shoes. While there are some, they are spread out over too many classes, and there was no Pro class. I think I ended up "classing up" to SM (in my mild prep STU car) just to have some people to run with. Even then, I would finish 2nd out of 20 cars, usually behind Chris. So, overall, winning in NER wasn't as tough as most other large regions I've been too. You almost had to search out a class to not win.

Hell, even the New Jersey guys ran a better event, and were friendlier too. New Jersey!

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You ran an STU car in SM and came in second to Chris? Who was the last Chris that ran SM regularly in NER? It's been a few years since Chris Travis was a regular at NER events. I can't imagine a street tire car coming in anywhere but last in SM. There's a tremendous amount of national-level talent in NER, and PAX results are published if you want to see how you're fairing against them.

And for those who are positive that NER events are not laid back enough, you should come back. We were listening and I think last year, we demonstrated how much better we can do when people really cooperate and things are kept on schedule. If you're judging NER on experience prior to that, you're doing a disservice to NER folks by supporting an undeserved reputation and you're doing a disservice to folks new to autocross who might become too intimidated to try it out.
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:50 AM   #29
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Listen guys everybody chill out!!!!!! man If you guys have a dislike for each other take it to OT I was just asking a question. IF CDC has ESP then thats what I will run maybe I should of posted this in maic. please chill out.
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Old 02-27-2009, 07:29 AM   #30
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IF CDC has ESP then thats what I will run
CDC does not SCCA classes. They run their own index based on HP/Weight/Tires.
http://www.capitaldrivingclub.com/fo...php?f=11&t=356

If you want to run in class run DC SCCA or AI (both have some very good ESP competition)
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Old 02-27-2009, 07:56 AM   #31
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CDC does not SCCA classes. They run their own index based on HP/Weight/Tires.
http://www.capitaldrivingclub.com/fo...php?f=11&t=356

If you want to run in class run DC SCCA or AI (both have some very good ESP competition)
yup

with this system, you'd probably be...

Power 1.02
Weight 0.99
Tires 1.00
= 1.02x0.99x1 = 1.01

You multiply this by your time to get the adjusted time (similar to PAX in SCCA). It's not a perfect system, but it's easy and it doesn't penalize you for making minor modifications.
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:59 AM   #32
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Let's do the math: 5 autocrosses x 6 runs/autoX x 60 seconds/run= 30 minutes seat time in autoX (approximations noted.) This 30 minutes represents what percentage of your seat-time in motorsports (HPDE and car set-up and shake-down runs included.)? Would I be correct in guessing less than 0.1%?
This supports 68Cadillac's comment of "Practice, practice, practice and tires"
Wish you the best, Ken. Hope to catch you at an event or two this summer.
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Hmmm, interesting question. If you only include my experience in full size cars (the 125cc shifter kart doesn't count)..

As a rough guess, I've probably done ~120 track days at conservatively 1.25 hours of track time per day. (SCCA races are less except for the enduros, and HPDE's are usually more), so it's actually coming up to roughly 0.3% of my total track time. Though the numbers don't exactly match up, the order of magnitude is a good approximation with the assumptions made.
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:21 PM   #33
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You ran an STU car in SM and came in second to Chris? Who was the last Chris that ran SM regularly in NER? It's been a few years since Chris Travis was a regular at NER events. I can't imagine a street tire car coming in anywhere but last in SM. There's a tremendous amount of national-level talent in NER, and PAX results are published if you want to see how you're fairing against them.

And for those who are positive that NER events are not laid back enough, you should come back. We were listening and I think last year, we demonstrated how much better we can do when people really cooperate and things are kept on schedule. If you're judging NER on experience prior to that, you're doing a disservice to NER folks by supporting an undeserved reputation and you're doing a disservice to folks new to autocross who might become too intimidated to try it out.
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Neil you made a funny.

Draken - you didn't lose to Chris - it was Nelson twice and the other time you won SM. Those are the results I could find.

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Old 03-03-2009, 08:39 PM   #34
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Wow... I'm not quite sure how this turned into a peeing match... bigger events draw more people, some who may have different interests or goals for the day. Don't take it personal and find someone who is on the same page as you. Simple as that.

NER has made HUGE improvement during the 2008 season. I wasn't super happy with 2007 but had a great time and 2008 was AMAZING. Great courses... good people and a whole lot of fun.
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:16 PM   #35
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:52 PM   #36
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Well as the tittle states I think finally I'm going to get into Auto X. This is something I've been wanting to do for the past several years but never got around to it. I will admit, I actually have been kind of intimidated to compete.
Anyways I have been reading for a few hours and was wondering what class would my car be put in/fit in?

the short but growing list of mods are
gutted up
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OS stage 2 flash (so yes boost is higher then stock)
snorkel delete ( from what I read this might change my class)

if I get some springs would that move me up a class?


I know I have a lot more reading to do but I feel if you guys could tell me what class my car fits in would help me with my reading.

thank you for the help
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Your 05WRX is a great car if you want to run STX...very competitive, but you need 1 cat and stock boost levels. To get a win you're also gonna need coilovers or a good spring/strut combination and some decent tires (treadwear rating of 160 or above)...most run a large rear sway bar also.

Then, as previously stated, you'll need practice, practice, practice.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:32 PM   #37
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^^ Don't post if you don't know what your talking about. Or even if your unsure of what you are talking about. There is enough difficulty with the rules without messing it up for a new guy.
Anyone new to Autocross should be required to go to this link:

http://scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=61

You can download the 2009 SCCA Solo rules, see what mods are allowable for what kind of car to run in what class. Most clubs go by those rules. For cryin' out loud folks, it isn't that hard. But sorry, no cliffs.
btw, you need a minimum tread rating of 140 / as per Rule 14.3 (b)
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:34 PM   #38
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People still have Walkmans?
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Old 03-05-2009, 07:29 AM   #41
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So I still have a Walkman? Now I'm really confused.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:49 AM   #44
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I think you mean deprecation, not depreciation (although I won't argue you're over the hill and going downhill).
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I think you mean deprecation, not depreciation (although I won't argue you're over the hill and going downhill).
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:48 AM   #46
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Excuse me while I burn my new ESP mix of Iron Maiden and Lynyrd Skynyrd...
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^^ Don't post if you don't know what your talking about. Or even if your unsure of what you are talking about. There is enough difficulty with the rules without messing it up for a new guy.
Anyone new to Autocross should be required to go to this link:

http://scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=61

You can download the 2009 SCCA Solo rules, see what mods are allowable for what kind of car to run in what class. Most clubs go by those rules. For cryin' out loud folks, it isn't that hard. But sorry, no cliffs.
btw, you need a minimum tread rating of 140 / as per Rule 14.3 (b)
My bad. Sorry about that. Thanks for the rule book link.

140 treadwear huh? the RE-01's that I did pretty well on are a 180 so if I can find a 140 I might get some time.

Does anybody know of any brands that have a 140 treadwear rating?
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Old 03-05-2009, 12:37 PM   #48
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Im hoping to attend my first auto-x in a week and a half. Judging from the SCCA classifications Im going to be in SM. I dont care about winning and wouldnt mind coming in last, I just want to have fun.

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So am I right to assume SM? I just want to have some knowledge of anything before I go there. I really have no idea what to expect.

What can be used for numbering your car?
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SM is right.

If your car isn't blue, painter's tape works really well.

Tell the guy at the registration table it's your first time and he'll give you some idea as what to do.
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:33 PM   #50
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CDC does not SCCA classes. They run their own index based on HP/Weight/Tires.
http://www.capitaldrivingclub.com/fo...php?f=11&t=356

If you want to run in class run DC SCCA or AI (both have some very good ESP competition)
Yep, Autocrossers Incorporated is a chapter of the washington DC Region that runs smaller and less intense events, but all under SCCA Solo rules, insurance and sanction. Plus, they'll be running half of their events in southern maryland and half at FedEx Field.

Their schedule can be found on www.autocrossersinc.com or on solo.wdcr-scca.org.

Also, if you go run an event and catch the autocross bug (as you invariable will ), WDCR runs novice schools to help you a) learn about how an event is organized and run and b) improve your driving!
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