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01-20-2012, 02:24 PM | #501 | |
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All the UK dyno charts of the turbo are biased garbage (posted by vendor) and show absurd high numbers even for crank, or at the very least are uncomparable (2.0L engines mostly) or without details (fuel, etc). I run VF36/GT2871 hybrid and I am thinking about an upgrade. Thanks a lot in advance.
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01-20-2012, 06:31 PM | #502 | |
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The guys in the UK making "absurdly high numbers" are running E85, but you seem to have missed that part. They also are only making 380-400whp with the SC46 on 2.0 and 2.5 engines. This turbo flows 47lbs, on E85 those power figures are not surprising at all. Please go read the UK thread, or our "stock location twin scroll" thread. In our thread here, we have posted all of the relevant info from the scoobynet forum along with a dyno from our own member. On a EJ207 with 92 octane he made 370whp on a dynojet with the Blouch 2.5xtr-TS. That was also using a TMIC. Give him E85 with a front mount and that number would easily be 400whp+. |
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01-20-2012, 07:56 PM | #503 |
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So now 400whp on Dynojet is considered to be 400whp? Wow
It's simple: some data comparing the turbo to some familiar setups on familiar dynos is needed. Or even better: logs. Since you seem to be talking up the turbo all the time here I hope you can provide some hard evidence, no? And spare us that crank hp crap and the garbage UK dynos charts. Last edited by unclemat; 01-20-2012 at 08:13 PM. |
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Again, I am not saying the turbo is crap. The propaganda you're doing is crap. All I am saying the information about is lacking and there isn't any useful information that would allow us to compare this turbo against other familiar setups. Quote:
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01-20-2012, 08:31 PM | #505 | |
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The UK dyno charts are not garbage. They are crank hp, and unless you are retarded, it's pretty simple to calculate whp. And 370whp on a dynojet on 92 octane with a TMIC is impressive. A VF37 would be lucky to break 300whp on a dynojet with 92. And there are plenty of "familiar" dynos, just not a mustang dyno which I assume you want. And your modded VF37 is garbage, I ran that setup and a stock VF37 is worlds better. |
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01-20-2012, 08:47 PM | #506 | |
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And FYI Scoobyclinic have a huge reputation in the UK and back up those dyno plots with 1/4 mile passes that are very impressive. Because at the end of the day, trap speed means more than a dyno number, and they have the trap speeds to back it up. Hahaha "propaganda" in what way am I spreading propaganda Here's a thought, why don't you go to scoobynet and see how it compares with other turbos over there, because it's doing great. Or look at the Blouch 1.5xtr and 2.5xtr, both hitting 400whp+ on mustang dynos. Seriously go do your homework. Your comments regarding crank hp and UK dynos being bogus shows how truly ignorant you are. |
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01-20-2012, 09:38 PM | #507 | |
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01-20-2012, 09:47 PM | #508 |
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Here's some food for thought regarding dynos.
Typically a dynojet reads 10% higher than dyno dynamics and mustang dynos, and usually dyno dynamics and mustangs are not far off. BUT depending on the dyno, the numbers can vary. Some guys have jumped on the mustang, then the dyno dynamics, and the mustang showed higher numbers...... at the end of the day dyno numbers don't mean much since they all can vary day to day. They are only useful if you use the same one to see the change in power with new parts. Best is a road dyno IMO. 1/4 trap speed is the best way to show power. I don't care if your dyno says you make 400whp while mine says I make 350whp while I have a higher trap speed. Point being that the scoobyclinic guys back up their "bogus dyno numbers" with solid trap speeds. Regardless, they use dyno dynamics set to show bhp, and it's easy to determine whp from this. Just like how we can take the crank HP for the USDM STi and calculate whp fairly close based on drivetrain loss of roughly 20% drivetrain loss. Now look at TIC's results. 340whp (yes it's a dynojet) with a stock TMIC, and basically nothing else on pump gas at only 22psi. Throw some E85, intake/inlet etc etc and you could see much better numbers. A stock VF37 on this engine would have been nowhere near these numbers. I've also seen many GT30R's (with supporting mods) only make 390-400whp on a dynojet. Not bad for having a few issues with the setup and on pump fuel. The big thing to note is the difference compared to the regular VF37. That's what you should be paying attention to. |
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Turn In Concepts is just an EJ205 as well from what I remember. If it were an EJ207 that graph would look quite different in all ways positive.
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Link for you: http://efilogics.com/dyno/index.php?search=2.5xtr Quote:
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You linked regular Blouch 1.5XTR results from this thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...php?p=36166369. Last I checked TIC was not located in Hawaii. |
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Point is you cannot compare regular 1.5XTR to the twinscroll hybrid aka SC46. It's a different turbine housing.
But you know what: yeah, I believe it will make more power than my "garbage" VF36/GT2871. It is very possible I will buy the turbo later this year and post the results. I have all the supporting mods needed: full turboback, intake, inlet, TGV deletes, 1000cc injectors, 08 STI TMIC, fuel pump, rebuilt heads with multiangle valve job. And I'll even send you $$$ for a case of beer if it EFI Logics gets 400whp on E85. I don't think I will have to. Heck, I'll do that even if it breaks 380 whp to account for my TMIC (even though I doubt FMIC is good for 20whp on this setup). |
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Point is, most of the 2.5xtr are making 370whp+ on mustang dynos. You posted ONLY links to EFI.... I hope you realize they are not the only company with a mustang dyno Quote:
I hope you realize the link I posted was in reference to this comment: "Not bad for having a few issues with the setup and on pump fuel. The big thing to note is the difference compared to the regular VF37. That's what you should be paying attention to." Even worse...... the link you posted is in no way related to the dyno graph I posted. You posted results from user "Cobbsti" What I posted was from user "deraj_53" running a 2.5XTR-TS on a EJ207. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=437 http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=428 Keep digging that hole of yours, you have shown that you have no reading comprehension at all. Last edited by LIQUIDSK8S; 01-20-2012 at 10:45 PM. |
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01-20-2012, 10:49 PM | #513 | |
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the 2.5XTR has no problem hitting 400whp+ with a TMIC on E85 at EFI or other mustang dynos. The 2.5XTR-TS certainly wont have any issues exceeding 380whp on E85. |
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01-20-2012, 10:54 PM | #514 |
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This turbo is not 2.5XTR equivalent despite the name
Not even the same turbine. |
01-20-2012, 10:55 PM | #515 | |
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And the 1.5XTR and the 2.5XTR-TS share the same 56.5mm turbine, BUT the other differences bring it closer to the 2.5XTR, which is why Blouch call it that. Maybe you should give them a call and learn something before pretending to know what your talking about. Last edited by LIQUIDSK8S; 01-20-2012 at 11:02 PM. |
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Whatever. Let's wait for your 400whp. Post results then we'll talk. And one more thing: you need to tone down the personal attacks. Every post of yours has one. I am merely pointing lack of evidence to your claims. |
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Nothing to Ninja edit, I only added information, nothing was removed .
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01-20-2012, 11:29 PM | #519 | |
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My advice to you is look at the Single Scroll counterparts listed above and research those and if you like have Blouch build it for you. There are tons of Dyno Graphs from the States showing all of Blouch's new Ball Bearing XTR line of turbo's.... |
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01-21-2012, 02:26 AM | #520 |
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Exactly what I did. Find the single scroll version at the EFI database (easiest and most comprehensive log of multiple cars and mods) and that's likely what you can expect. Maybe a little sooner peak torque/spool and better transient response, but the peak horse number (which seems to be the focal point of the argument?) will be the same. Single or twin scroll.
On that note, the 2.5XTR on the EFI dyno seems to average about 360-380 on pump no meth, from my readings. |
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Again, everybody is assuming P25 housing of the VF37/VF36 will flow as much as the original 8cm or 10cm Mitsu housing used on single scroll 1.5XTR/2.5XTR.
VF37/VF36 is VF39 sized turbo. Granted P25 is bigger than P18 used on VF39. Is it as big as 8cm housing? Let alone 10cm? |
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It isn't a hybrid turbo. The housing is honed out to 10cm size. This has also been covered in several places.
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We only have one shop with a 4wd dyno on the island. Which is good for us since it's easy to compare figures and numbers across different setups here. http://www.i-club.com/forums/hawaii-...thread-218151/ |
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but how much is this going to coast me ? how much time would it take ? and how to contact you ? i sent mike mike an e-mail as well but still waiting for an answer . best regards |
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