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10-12-2012, 01:52 PM | #201 |
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Maybe there's some confusion.
A non-licensed, new driver doing 100+ in the rain, when he had no business being out by LAW (under age, past time allowed, no one in car of appropriate age, etc...) was no accident. His driving wasn't an accident. His pre-meditated actions weren't an accident. His being there, at that time, were no accident. The result of his above actions/miscalcuations CAUSED an accident to HAPPEN. That help? --kC
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10-12-2012, 01:53 PM | #202 | |
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Some of the laws that were broken were referenced in the news report, others I pointed out via the NY DMV site that lists the restrictions that accompany drivers in NY who have a Learners Permit or a Junior License (which has most of the same restrictions, but this kid didn't even have his Junior License). It does not take a law degree to see that this 17 year old is in a lot of legal trouble -- the legal consequences are not there just to punish drivers who kill four of their friends, but to discourage others from doing the same stupid thing. That's why reporters reported on the story, and partly why we talk about it, along with discussing the pro's and con's of giving a 17 year old with a learners permit a new STI to drive around at 3 in the morning with four teenage passengers, unsupervised (that's three broken laws right there, well before he violated whatever traffic laws he violated on his way toward that tree). These are not rash conclusions, unless we somehow learn that actually the 17 year old kid had an unrestricted license, and lost control of the car while driving the speed limit. Then this would all be just conjecture. Last edited by Zeeper; 10-12-2012 at 01:58 PM. |
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10-12-2012, 02:02 PM | #203 | |
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10-12-2012, 04:05 PM | #204 | |
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I doubt he intended to crash... unless it was some sort of suicide pact. |
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So the driver was clearly stupid. I do not disagree. But I don't see anyone in here actually defending him and his actions. That was what I meant. Quote:
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This is the only way I will defend him, mostly because I think it is enough. I don't think he should do much time in jail. Why not? Because I promise you, t his kid won't be doing what he did again. I promise you, this kid has learned his lesson. His life sucks now, he knows it, and he is feeling the pain of his poor actions. In my opinion, just let him free in the world. His thoughts alone will haunt him for life. Similar to that case where the woman caused the drunk driving incident, killed others, and ****ed her face up. She had all the negative consequences of her actions already. Why add more? To me, years on top of that almost seems like unfair punishment. However, I would entirely understand if he did a few years. |
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10-12-2012, 04:19 PM | #206 | |
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I really don't understand how somebody could be so bitter, when it just as easily could have been them, or their brother, or their kid etc. Or when people bash others for being more fortunate than them (lucky as well). I mean heck, if it was 1970 and you turned 16, and pops pulls up in a '70 hemi cuda and tosses you the keys, you'd really say "no dad, I can't, because in 42 years when I'm on nasioc, I don't want to be THAT guy that got a cool car when he turned 16" . We get it guys, it was a dumb move. He shouldn't have been doing what he was doing, especially the part where he had the car loaded up with people, but assuming that he was drunk is just asinine. I've seen worse wrecks happen right in front of me involving 2 cars that didn't even total 2/3 of the HP of an STi. Not to mention, your average modern v6 camaro/v6 mustang traps near what an STi does, so this comparison is stupid. |
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10-12-2012, 04:25 PM | #207 | |
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10-13-2012, 02:33 PM | #208 |
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10-13-2012, 02:42 PM | #209 |
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When I taught physics, we often discussed the kinetic energy formula, which basically says that every time you double your speed, your impact energy and stopping distance increase by a factor of four. Compared to a 50mph crash, the energies involved in this case were phenomenal.
So easy for an STi to generate this kind of speed in a hurry. And this is why "speed kills," even though, of course, lesser speeds can kill as well. Just going from 50mph to 70mph doubles the stopping distance and energy of impact. I find it incredible that the driver survived. Still an impressive testimony to Subaru construction. |
10-14-2012, 02:11 AM | #210 | |
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I agree. Power + inexperience multiplied by recklessness = tragedy |
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10-14-2012, 09:53 AM | #211 | |
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10-14-2012, 10:25 AM | #212 |
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I blame the parent's for handing over such a high powered car let alone a first time driver learner IDIOT'S
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10-14-2012, 10:49 AM | #213 |
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What "journalist" wrote this article??
"Some handled the anguish better than others. One angry teenager, apparently furious with Beer, barked out, “Tell the driver I’m coming for him” before splitting." |
10-14-2012, 07:17 PM | #214 | |
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This just shows that you do not understand what a performance car is. Last edited by moonrider_99; 10-14-2012 at 07:28 PM. |
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10-14-2012, 07:22 PM | #215 |
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10-14-2012, 08:24 PM | #217 |
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Seems to me this is just another case of teenagers thinking they're invincible. It's been happening since forever. It's just a tragic part of growing up. If there was bad parenting involved, that makes it even worse.
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10-16-2012, 01:32 AM | #218 | |
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That kids parents and he himself just destroyed 5 families lives, all over a car. |
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10-16-2012, 04:51 PM | #219 |
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Has there been any update on the cause of the accident, actual speeds, drug or alcohol involvement yet?
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10-16-2012, 05:13 PM | #220 |
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Going to say that's what happens when you give a kid a sports car. I also thought I knew everything when I was 17, I just got lucky enough not to allow Darwin to catch up. 90% of us did things in our youths that could have ended like this. **** happen...even faster when you throw 300hp, AWD, and the balls of a 17 year old with buddy's he's trying to impress.
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10-16-2012, 05:15 PM | #221 |
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Also let's remember...speed does not kill. It's rapidly becoming stationary that kills you.
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10-18-2012, 03:30 PM | #222 | |
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11-20-2012, 11:51 AM | #224 | |
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RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEE and flamewar over 1 paragraph, my opinion, your problem with my post is not my problem.... So keep quoting them if you like to have a ragegasm. |
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11-20-2012, 12:25 PM | #225 | |
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