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Old 06-26-2014, 08:23 PM   #351
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Old 06-26-2014, 08:48 PM   #352
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Previous fills were what?

Silver up-tick notwithstanding you could prolly run this oil a helluva lot longer than 3K miles...yet you added 3/4ths of a qt. makeup? Track days/abuse? Tune/mods?

EDIT: ahh, I see now your profile shows E85 and well beyond OEM power/tq.


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Old 06-26-2014, 08:51 PM   #353
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His other thread also says a good amount of track time.
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:46 PM   #354
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How many miles on the oil and are you protuned? I wonder if you need 15W-50?

With your mods and track time, you might want to consider paying for comments from a tribologist.
http://www.dysonanalysis.com/Dyson_A...s/Welcome.html

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Old 06-26-2014, 11:45 PM   #355
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Here is mine. First two oil changes done at the dealership using Subaru's 5w30 synthetic. 4 auto-x's were also done on this oil. I'm currently running T6 5w40 and right off the bat the car does seem quieter than with the 5w30.

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Old 06-27-2014, 08:36 AM   #356
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How many miles on the oil and are you protuned? I wonder if you need 15W-50?

With your mods and track time, you might want to consider paying for comments from a tribologist.
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there is close to 3k on this oil and yes i am protuned.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:35 PM   #357
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Here is mine. First two oil changes done at the dealership using Subaru's 5w30 synthetic. 4 auto-x's were also done on this oil. I'm currently running T6 5w40 and right off the bat the car does seem quieter than with the 5w30.
Nice 20 weight! Definitely keep an eye on the silver.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:58 PM   #358
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Nice 20 weight! Definitely keep an eye on the silver.
Haha I think baby oil is thicker than some of these energy conserving oils. Hopefully the RT6 will keep things happy with my weekend autox/daily driving. After a few more UOA's on the RT6, I think I will give the delo 5w40 a try.
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Old 06-28-2014, 08:28 PM   #359
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Spotted this on another thread and thought about the occasional high copper readings people see that no one understands...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2&postcount=13

Still waiting for Blackstone on my last oil change and the one before that (both Subaru 5w30), and waiting for 32k to roll up so I can change out the first fill of Mobil 1 0w40 and compare. Shouldn't be too long.
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Haha I think baby oil is thicker than some of these energy conserving oils. Hopefully the RT6 will keep things happy with my weekend autox/daily driving. After a few more UOA's on the RT6, I think I will give the delo 5w40 a try.

my research indicates that the delo isnt as robust as the t6...but who knows what formula changes there have been

keep us posted on the delo results
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Old 06-29-2014, 11:00 AM   #361
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my research indicates that the delo isnt as robust as the t6...but who knows what formula changes there have been

keep us posted on the delo results
It will be a few cycles of the T6 before I try out the delo, but I will get those UOA's up here when I do.
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:01 PM   #362
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Here's my most recent UOA. There's another one still at Blackstone. Should get it in a few days.



Not sure on the 0w20 comments. This is *as ALWAYS* Subaru Idemitsu 5w30 with a splash of T6 for topping up. Same as all my oil changes. Next one is also the same.

I think bearing in mind the shearing, I'll be checking up on my current Mobil1 0w40 fill at around the 3k mile point.
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:57 PM   #363
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There's no way in hell I'd risk my engine on oil that drops an entire grade (BS: "little low for a 5W/30 grade...just right for a 20"). Shorter OCI or better oil is what you need, IMHO. TBN be-damned, that oil is DONE.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:42 PM   #364
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There's no way in hell I'd risk my engine on oil that drops an entire grade (BS: "little low for a 5W/30 grade...just right for a 20"). Shorter OCI or better oil is what you need, IMHO. TBN be-damned, that oil is DONE.
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kabz, if the viscosity drops below 9.3 cSt's the oil has sheared to a 20 grade. That's why Blackstone was confused by the viscosity based on the information you provided to them on the info slip vs the results of the uoa. This is NOT just a Mobil1 5W-30 problem like some people think. This is just a feature of most low HTHS, Resource Conserving GF5 oils.

Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too (shear stability and running an oil as recommended in the owner's manual). It happens on occasion with a few oils, depending on the driving conditions, but it's big news when a GF5 oil stays in grade in a Subaru turbo.

At least wear looks good. Are you stock? Your RT6 top up must've been very little. Smart move on the switch to a more robust oil!

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Old 07-01-2014, 11:09 PM   #365
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Dennis,
Agreed, but for my driving, metals have been great, and we'll see how well the 0w40 does. I guess I've been driving a bit harder and going longer on the interval, so you can see how the Subaru 5w30 has sheared down.
Definitely concerning! Especially for any hard use. I sure hope the next UOA on 5w30 (23k - 28k) is a bit better.
As I said currently on M1 0w40 Euro Car Formula and not seeing any consumption yet. I'll have that one analyzed after I've done 3k on it.
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PS: Insolubles creeping up may mean I could use a new air filter?

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Old 07-02-2014, 07:37 AM   #366
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Insolubles is more representative of oil filter performance, but it's fine.

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Old 07-02-2014, 02:30 PM   #367
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check my M1 0w40 UOA from a page back to get a good idea of what to expect.

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Latest UOA from Blackstone. Very similar to the last one, as you might expect. Oil is shearing down even worse.
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Latest UOA from Blackstone. Very similar to the last one, as you might expect. Oil is shearing down even worse.
Nice xW-20! Maybe Idemitsu put 0W-20 in the bottle instead.

Try up to 8,000 miles next? Yeah good luck with that. Pennzoil Ultra 5W-20 starts thicker than this and will likely shear less than this (percentage wise). I don't know if this oil has been reformulated a second time (the first time was when they switched to GF5), but this oil used to hold up a bit better than this.

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Old 07-04-2014, 09:39 AM   #370
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I wanna get an oil sample for you guys from the ej22 I just took out of my car. I rode out the t6 for almost 8,000 miles.

Mostly because I thought the engine was coming out sooner, so I didn't wanna change the oil for a short time....but things got pushed back so I just changed the filter at like 6,000. I have one blackstone sample container left too...
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LOL Cupcake. I'm running the 0w40 mr scotty sir. We'll see how it does.
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Old 08-01-2014, 10:32 PM   #372
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'05 2.5RS with a 116k mile engine
Mobil 1 10W-30 High Mileage
Subaru blue oil filter
new Subaru air filter

....full track weekend at VIR and a bunch of 600+ mile road trips afterwards. this was my first time on track so i didn't know how the oil would handle it...knowing what i know now i would have left it in for twice as long. i wanted to find an ACEA A3 rated 30wt (didn't want to go to a thicker 40 weight to keep the oil temps sane with no oil cooler of any kind) with good HTHS properties and in the absense of German Castrol at my local parts place, this was the answer. i think it did fine but that's also easy to say when you've topped off 2.5 qts in 3300 miles. at least the wear metals are nice and low.

i used 1 quart at the track, the rest in just driving around on the street. the engine seems to really drink this stuff compared to Rotella, and at $9 a quart i'm not going to keep dumping it in. i think i'll stick with T6 for any street and rallycross stuff and maybe do the M1 HM stuff again just for track days since it did so well.
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'05 2.5RS with a 116k mile engine
Mobil 1 10W-30 High Mileage
Subaru blue oil filter
new Subaru air filter

....full track weekend at VIR and a bunch of 600+ mile road trips afterwards. this was my first time on track so i didn't know how the oil would handle it...knowing what i know now i would have left it in for twice as long. i wanted to find an ACEA A3 rated 30wt (didn't want to go to a thicker 40 weight to keep the oil temps sane with no oil cooler of any kind) with good HTHS properties and in the absense of German Castrol at my local parts place, this was the answer. i think it did fine but that's also easy to say when you've topped off 2.5 qts in 3300 miles. at least the wear metals are nice and low.

i used 1 quart at the track, the rest in just driving around on the street. the engine seems to really drink this stuff compared to Rotella, and at $9 a quart i'm not going to keep dumping it in. i think i'll stick with T6 for any street and rallycross stuff and maybe do the M1 HM stuff again just for track days since it did so well.
d00000000000000d.....ya worried about nothing there....really
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'05 2.5RS with a 116k mile engine
Mobil 1 10W-30 High Mileage
Subaru blue oil filter
new Subaru air filter

....full track weekend at VIR and a bunch of 600+ mile road trips afterwards. this was my first time on track so i didn't know how the oil would handle it...knowing what i know now i would have left it in for twice as long. i wanted to find an ACEA A3 rated 30wt (didn't want to go to a thicker 40 weight to keep the oil temps sane with no oil cooler of any kind) with good HTHS properties and in the absense of German Castrol at my local parts place, this was the answer. i think it did fine but that's also easy to say when you've topped off 2.5 qts in 3300 miles. at least the wear metals are nice and low.

i used 1 quart at the track, the rest in just driving around on the street. the engine seems to really drink this stuff compared to Rotella, and at $9 a quart i'm not going to keep dumping it in. i think i'll stick with T6 for any street and rallycross stuff and maybe do the M1 HM stuff again just for track days since it did so well.
What you could try is 2 quarts of the 10w40 M1 high mileage and 2.75 quarts of the 10w30 high mileage M1.

100C = 13.
40C = 84.71

HTHS around 3.7 ish

This would be just a bit thinner at operating temp than M1 0w40 but more stable if I am seeing this correctly. Still not to thick for this ej253 na engine. There have been reports of 05 rs engines having issues with burning oil due to poor ring break in either from factory or by the person who buys the car new and doesn't drive it the right way for those first few miles. So keep that in mind.

bluesubie, what do you think?
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d00000000000000d.....ya worried about nothing there....really
yeah probably. it was my first time on track so i figured i'd go as overboard as possible. better safe than sorry.

but hey, at least everyone else can see how easy the N/A EJ's are on this oil.
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