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06-20-2010, 01:18 PM | #51 |
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I asked Flava Flave what he thinks about the hta68 and he says----"don't believe the hype! Don't, don't, don't believe the hype!"
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06-20-2010, 04:37 PM | #52 |
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does anyone know where can I get a 20g XT for the lowest price? I have seen people mentioned about getting them for $12xx, but couldn't really find any vendor offering at that price range
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06-20-2010, 05:27 PM | #53 |
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I think the intro price thing is over with but i would recommend going either directly through blouch or going to import image who generally has pretty good prices also
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06-20-2010, 10:07 PM | #54 |
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To throw another turbo into the mix, we are currently testing our twin scroll turbo kit's using Lancer Evolution turbos, specially prepped by FP for us, and one of the turbo's we plan to test in the near future is this twin scroll 68hta turbo....
http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...e=Lancer-Turbo This turbo will be avaialable with 9, 9.8 or 10.5 cm housings and currently we tested our 2.5 liter header/uppipe setup on my stock longblock 2.0 liter with the largest of our header primary diameters, Evo 9 turbo with a 9 cm housing, IWG, a mild tune and pump gas, it made the graph shown in post #19. The car feels great and there's alot more left in it even on pump gas. The next turbo we will test will be the Evo 6.5 RS TME..... http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...e=Lancer-Turbo It should move the tq curve left and it should hold power all the way to redline like the other turbo, and we feel this will be a better match for the ej20. Just something for you guys to think about. |
06-20-2010, 10:15 PM | #55 | |
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You guys just wait 'til I get my full turboback! Edit noting the above (Moore's) post: I think the hta68 may really shine on pump with the bigger housing. I think my tuner Dom's got the right idea here going 10cm^2. Last edited by Dave D.; 06-20-2010 at 10:22 PM. |
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06-21-2010, 02:09 AM | #56 |
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Not much 18g-XT talk / results here, I've seen more on iwsti it looked promising, but it was a dyno I wasn't familiar with, and had no direct comparison.
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06-21-2010, 11:14 AM | #57 | |
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getting the exhaust through the turbine isnt really the problem on this turbo......its flowing "47 lb" through the compressor housing thats the issue. |
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06-21-2010, 01:46 PM | #58 | |
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Dom seems to think the major restriction was the exhaust side. Like I have said, I can't wait to eliminate this variable. |
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06-21-2010, 08:21 PM | #59 | |
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There is nothing wrong with a HTA68 for those who want quick spool and moderate power, but when ppl try and pass it off as a turbo that is bigger or better then what it is, you'll find ppl will always object. Leslie |
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06-21-2010, 08:38 PM | #60 |
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My hypothesis at this point is that small hotsides do very well with high octane, allowing quick spool and avoiding pulled timing on top. Of course I'm not running a 7cm^2 hotside, which is why I think the 10cm^2 hotside with a free-flowing exhaust might make a statement on pump. |
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06-21-2010, 10:53 PM | #62 | ||||
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I'm not having a go at your choice for using a HTA68, just the incorrect information that ppl constantly spread about the HTA68. TBH the HTA68 is a great turbo for what it is - a 16g that provides fast boost response with a little more whp then stock sti turbo - but at the end of the day, it is only a 16g with a ~10% higher flowing comp wheel. PPL should stop quoting and spreading the BS power figures, as it is distracting and wrong and leads to other NASIOC members buying a turbo that does not meet their needs. Quote:
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06-22-2010, 12:55 AM | #63 | |
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actually leslie he posted a graph, albeit in the wrong format, which i asked him to correct. give him a chance and the graph will be up. Graphs are in the video. had you taken the time to read the thread you would have seen that http://www.youtube.com/v/x28e46g99zU...ram%3E%3Cparam i think his numbers are very inflated. is your TD04 a billet wheel? Last edited by rubinm; 06-22-2010 at 01:30 PM. |
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06-22-2010, 10:00 AM | #64 |
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FWIW I have a couple of logs showing 370+ airboy whp on a HTA68 on E85.
21+ psi held to red-line and airflow of approximately 335-350 g/s with the MAF scaled the correct way. I flow about 35+ g/s more then a VF series turbo in the exact same weather, elevation, from the same tuner with same WB (me). and spool on the 68 is within 50 rpm of the VF. |
06-22-2010, 10:16 AM | #65 | |
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06-22-2010, 01:14 PM | #66 | |
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They had a good run with this little turbo. FP, Slap some more parts togther.. Nasioc needs a new "turbo of the week"
I have seen this time and time again With turbo shops in the last 8 years I have been here. THey come out with some new super turbo. Kick back to some dyno shop to make amazing plots. They sell a thousand of them and people realize, it actualy sucks. Skip the 18G altogher. I never liked the 18G on these motors. 16G or 20G is what I recomend. C Quote:
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06-22-2010, 01:36 PM | #67 |
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06-22-2010, 02:16 PM | #68 |
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With the big 16g and being able to setup a 20g in so many ways.....the 18g basically has no place.
a big 16g is 38-40 lb/min a 20g is 44 lb/min and you can setup a 20g in any of these configs 2.4" inlet td05 7cm 2.4" inlet td05 8cm 3.0" inlet td05 7cm 3.0" inlet td05 8cm 2.4" inlet td06 7cm 2.4" inlet td06 8cm 3.0" inlet td06 7cm 3.0" inlet td06 8cm basically you can get any 18g configuration power curve by using a 20g |
06-22-2010, 02:31 PM | #69 |
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^^ Thanks for that! I think with all the talk about 20Gs blowing trannys and engines, I got scared of the 20G
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06-22-2010, 04:59 PM | #70 |
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Since ya all are looking for info:
Highest peak numbers I've ever seen on a 68hta, with E85 http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...744361&page=51 Second post down the page. 411 at the wheel. Again, I contribute this completely to a high reading dyno, but hey, there's a dyno of it. As for pump gas, I can't seem to find the thread I'm looking for. Some guy that was running a 68hta on a built (I think) 2.1L, had issues, Dom put on a 10cm hotside, retuned, gained 30whp on pump. Although, it still looked like it was losing power by the 8k redline. Ring any bells? Someone point me in the right direction? |
06-22-2010, 05:11 PM | #71 | |
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So lets say your looking to lose minimal spool buy stepping up up to a 20g from a vf turbo. You decide you want the smaller compressor td05 and the smaller exhaust housing 7cm, but then why would you get a 3" inlet? Just wondering why the option is there and if and where its wise to go 3" over 2.4". |
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06-22-2010, 05:31 PM | #72 |
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06-22-2010, 05:31 PM | #73 |
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not really a big thing unless you couple it with a 3" APS Inlet.....
getting rid of any restrictions before the compressor will help it operate better/easy/more efficiently..... |
06-22-2010, 05:48 PM | #74 |
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just did some minor research and it looks like the 3" inlet tapers to a 2.4" right at the inducer. The wheel inducer is the same size whether you go 2.4" or 3". With the 3", it looks like you "have" to delete the tgvs and fitment becomes a hassle.
so on a 2.0l it looks like the td05 20g 8cm^2 would be the best for daily driving, you get decent spool up and the top end. |
06-22-2010, 06:32 PM | #75 |
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E85, FP68HTA, original 7 cm housing, IWG
Not my car, my 68HTA doesn't respond near as good as this one. Code:
Load RPM Timing KnockSum MRP g/s MAFv WGDC throttle LC-1 0000 0.68 1915 31.5 3 -5.50 21.60 2.14 88.63 13.7 14.55 0150 0.68 1940 32.0 3 -5.49 21.69 2.12 88.63 13.7 14.54 0330 1.23 2018 35.5 3 00.52 46.85 2.68 88.63 100 14.57 0480 1.35 2028 34.0 3 00.88 45.09 2.74 88.63 100 14.95 0681 1.40 2096 33.0 3 01.37 49.46 2.72 88.63 100 14.98 0861 1.47 2142 32.0 3 01.87 52.82 2.76 88.63 100 13.45 1041 1.53 2188 30.5 3 02.40 56.83 2.80 88.63 100 12.95 1212 1.59 2222 30.0 3 02.91 60.54 2.82 88.63 100 12.45 1362 1.67 2282 29.0 3 03.49 65.59 2.92 88.63 100 12.25 1552 1.73 2350 28.5 3 04.18 69.86 3.02 88.63 100 12.04 1722 1.83 2409 27.5 3 04.88 75.43 3.02 88.63 100 11.88 1893 1.92 2477 26.5 3 05.64 80.74 3.10 88.63 100 11.42 2083 1.99 2563 25.0 3 06.67 86.47 3.18 88.63 100 11.32 2253 2.06 2581 24.0 3 07.58 94.43 3.36 88.63 100 11.01 2443 2.21 2722 22.0 3 08.92 105.8 3.46 88.63 100 10.97 2614 2.43 2826 20.5 3 10.68 120.1 3.54 88.63 100 10.94 2804 2.68 2922 20.0 3 12.74 138.7 3.72 88.63 100 10.94 2974 3.10 3046 19.5 3 15.29 162.9 3.84 87.45 100 10.98 3164 3.49 3181 19.0 3 18.68 189.7 4.04 72.94 100 10.72 3335 3.73 3318 18.5 3 21.56 213.3 4.22 65.49 100 10.64 3505 3.86 3434 18.5 3 23.06 221.5 4.28 62.75 100 10.75 3665 3.72 3604 19.0 3 22.89 221.3 4.22 62.75 100 10.95 3845 3.68 3749 19.0 3 22.46 230.7 4.32 63.92 100 11.29 4016 3.65 3906 19.5 3 22.24 238.6 4.38 66.27 100 11.41 4186 3.72 4051 19.5 3 22.69 251.4 4.48 67.06 100 11.39 4356 3.83 4208 19.5 3 23.13 272.1 4.54 67.06 100 11.44 4546 3.91 4294 19.5 3 23.13 281.2 4.60 67.45 100 11.54 4717 3.86 4497 19.5 3 22.80 288.1 4.62 69.02 100 11.29 4907 3.88 4630 20.0 3 22.85 301.8 4.68 70.59 100 11.23 5077 3.91 4864 20.0 3 22.89 314.3 4.70 70.98 100 11.26 5267 3.88 4928 20.5 3 22.89 322.3 4.74 72.16 100 11.2 5438 3.84 5084 21.0 3 23.04 323.9 4.76 73.33 100 11.23 5628 3.76 5204 21.0 3 23.07 325.8 4.78 73.73 100 11.33 5798 3.68 5341 21.5 3 22.92 328.1 4.80 73.33 100 11.39 5968 3.60 5525 21.5 3 22.63 329.7 4.80 73.33 100 11.42 6159 3.53 5570 22.0 3 22.23 329.8 4.80 73.73 100 11.5 6339 3.47 5808 22.5 3 21.83 329.8 4.80 76.08 100 11.55 6539 3.40 5912 23.5 3 21.81 331.1 4.80 77.65 100 11.51 6729 3.33 6071 24.0 3 21.87 332.5 4.82 79.61 100 11.44 6890 3.27 6184 24.5 3 21.90 332.7 4.84 80.00 100 11.55 7090 3.21 6306 25.0 3 21.82 333.4 4.84 80.39 100 11.55 7250 3.15 6406 25.5 3 21.97 333.9 4.84 80.78 100 11.48 7451 3.10 6456 25.5 3 21.96 334.3 4.84 80.78 100 11.5 7641 3.06 6582 26.0 3 21.97 335.5 4.86 80.78 100 11.45 7831 3.01 6671 26.0 3 22.05 335.2 4.84 80.78 100 11.42 7991 2.97 6779 26.5 3 22.05 334.8 4.86 81.18 100 11.47 8192 2.92 6885 27.5 3 22.13 334.3 4.84 80.78 100 11.41 |
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