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10-17-2012, 10:35 AM | #151 |
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I drove one of these yesterday with the mid level package and some options (partial Recaros, Sony, moonroof, Nav, keyless entry/push button start, etc...). A quick 10 minute test drive doesn't tell you much, but I really enjoyed it. Granted, I drive a veloster that probably wasn't my smartest purchase (for what I like).
If I were switching cars I'd have a hard time with the ST against a limited WRX sedan, but for a DD car I think I'd lean towards the ST. It just felt great all around and I didn't really notice any torque steer. I am at a point though where any car I drive is going to stay stock, so a nice package is good. I don't think the $28.5k price tag was bad. Especially for what you get.
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10-17-2012, 11:51 AM | #152 |
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Likely an afyermarket one could be fitted. Back in the day, my brother put a quaife lsd in his 92 sho. The thing is the lsd would cost about 1.5k to buy and another 1k or so to install. If Ford had it as an option, they could do it as a 1k option.
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10-17-2012, 07:23 PM | #153 | |
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If the e-diff trickery on the ST is anything like the ATTS from the '97-'01 Prelude SH, the diff can't be swapped without sensors and warning lights going nuts. I put a Quaife in my '01 non-SH 'Lude. FWD with drop-throttle oversteer. Whoa. |
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10-17-2012, 08:23 PM | #154 | |
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10-17-2012, 08:31 PM | #155 | |
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I am disappointed that the ST does not have more of the RS DNA. The RS had a LSD and so does my car and I don't think the ST can reach its full potential without one. |
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10-17-2012, 08:44 PM | #156 | |
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10-17-2012, 10:49 PM | #157 | |
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I will contradict your video with another video... My video journalist can beat up your video journalist. I am not any more right or wrong than you. I just have a different opinion based on my personal beliefs, needs and wants. Your opinion is that a LSD would make the car better. Maybe maybe not. Depends on what your definition of better is. Better lap times? Perhaps. Is the electrodiff good enough for 99.9% of the driving you will ever do and put a smile on your face...Well sure. THe question you have to ask yourself is how important is that 0.1% to you. This is actually a very similar argument as the STI vs EVO. THe EVO is more like the MS3... Hardcore track toy. The ST is more like the STI. Very liveable day to day and not as razor sharp. Better to live with, and better to enjoy day to day, but will probably be a tenth or so slower on the track. Each person will have to weigh what is important to him / her. |
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10-18-2012, 12:17 AM | #158 |
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I already covered those two videos before the great child seat fallout of last page...
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10-18-2012, 10:03 AM | #159 |
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Reviews of the car, for what they're worth, have been overall positive. I personally use auto reviews as meer guidelines. They may point you in the right direction but ultimately it's up to you to compare cars and form an opinion.
In an effort to stay on topic since, after all, this is the "2013 Ford Focus ST Review Thread," I'll post a short blurb from the "Inside Line Full Test." "We also found the brake pedal a bit soft after a spirited blast on a tight and technical blast though a canyon. Given the lack of hard braking on this route, we speculated that this might be attributable to the selective braking from the torque-steer mitigation system while powering out of turns." This is a bit of a red flag for me. It may be a blast to drive with the eDif, but this seems like an inevitable consequence. |
10-18-2012, 10:15 AM | #160 |
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yeah, I wondered about that as well, AND I was curious how many times you would have to change brake pads on this thing. EVO's use a similar technology and they wear out pads quickly. I would hate to 'use up' my brakes during hard corning and then need them to slow down later.
It really depends on the cars intended use if this will ever actually be an issue, but it is worth noting. |
10-18-2012, 11:02 AM | #161 |
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They've gone up. Used to be that the MS3 was the bargain option. We bought our loaded 2010 for 22.3K. Even with the torque steer we might have kept it longer if the back seats had a few inches more legroom. For what we paid there wasn't any competition. At $25-26K there is a bit more competition so it's a tougher choice.
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10-18-2012, 02:52 PM | #162 | |
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Doesn't sound like Edmunds Inside Line thinks the ST needs a mechanical LSD. From their full review;
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10-18-2012, 05:12 PM | #163 |
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It also sounds like they need a vacation.. they're huffing too much glue in the office. As fun as the BRZ? Puhleeze.
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10-18-2012, 07:05 PM | #164 |
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Watching the videos in this thread really makes me want a VXR. Damn shame it isn't offered over here. I think it looks absolutely fantastic! Go figure, an American made car I would actually buy and they won't sell it here....
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10-18-2012, 08:41 PM | #165 |
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Edmunds has an FR-S in their longterm fleet as well as an ST. They have spent more time driving both cars than probably anyone else. Their praise of the ST is no different than R&T's so I would say where there's smoke there's fire and you will have to accept that the ST is the real deal or maybe it's you huffing the glue.
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10-18-2012, 08:43 PM | #166 |
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I agree. It's a good looking hatchback especially the rear 3/4's.
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10-18-2012, 08:51 PM | #167 |
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10-19-2012, 09:27 AM | #168 | |
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10-19-2012, 09:30 AM | #169 | |
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I don't expect it to be nearly as good as the brz/fr-s at what they do. I do think it would make a great daily driver |
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10-19-2012, 10:09 AM | #170 | |
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I know you are capable of making an unbiased opinion about a car. Go give it a spin...it may surprise you at how fun it actually is. |
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10-19-2012, 10:30 AM | #171 | ||
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10-19-2012, 10:42 AM | #172 | |
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The problem, of course, is that daily driving a MCS on 450/350lb-in springs makes just about anything off the lot feel like a Buick. In the past I've found that test driving the newest bestest hot hatch on the market while driving a modded autocross car is usually a disappointment. I decided long ago that most automotive journalists have no idea what good handling is. |
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10-19-2012, 11:11 AM | #173 |
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10-19-2012, 12:02 PM | #174 | |
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10-19-2012, 12:31 PM | #175 |
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Well I sort of agree, A good handling street car cannot be asked to live up to the metric of a good handling race car...
this goes back to what we said earlier. WE ALL have outside influences that taint everything we do. Dozens of factors go into describing one trait and while handling is a generic term, the metrics which must be met to be deemed 'good' are not universal. Unfortunately, we must rely on the written word to convey our sentiments. And that means putting more effort into things in order to accurately distinguish where our individual metrics lie. |
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