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01-23-2002, 03:34 PM | #1 |
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Feed back please! Cusco adj strut tops w/ DMS Golds
I have M2 DMS Gold 40mm on order. I was thinking about buying Cusco adjustable strut tops instead of STi tops. Has anyone done this? How do you like it?
Thanks Owen
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01-24-2002, 01:24 AM | #2 |
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keep me informed buuuuuuddy
That's the setup for suspension that im looking into also. SO keep me posted plz.
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01-24-2002, 02:42 AM | #3 |
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do you really need the camber adjustability? i'm asking since the sti's seem to work very well with the dms and you can get all four for the price of two cusco ones which run around 225 for the front or rear set. so far almost every vendor i've asked has either the front or rear set of the cusco's, but not both in stock...
edit: oh n btw, if your looking for a good tarmac setup, why not consider the cusco comp zero 2's? they already come with the adjustable tops and the coilovers are of very high quality. |
01-24-2002, 08:27 AM | #4 |
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I have the DMS 50's and Cusco strut top/camber plates front and rear. They work well together but the rears add a lot of noise. If you are lowering your car you may not need any more negative camber than what's available from the o.e. adj. bolt because lowering it will add to the negative anyway, in front at least. Camber plates F & R will add to the flexibility of what tire sizes and wheel offsets you can run by allowing you to more freely place the wheel where you want it within the wheel well and still have your desired alignment.
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01-24-2002, 10:34 AM | #5 |
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great advice from richard.
I have front cusco camberplates and rear STi mounts. The noise is reasonable, the rear does not clunk at all (caveat-- I have a GC8) and really I only hear the spherical bearing "phht!" from the front. I wouldn't use rear camberplates unless you were a nationally competitive autocrosser or very serious about track days, or were a real road racer. |
01-24-2002, 11:13 AM | #6 |
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I'm almost certainly going to go with the combo that Colin has. Right now I have the STi mounts front and rear, but the 2nd set of DMS Golds I got has less camber adjustability up front - I can only get about -1.6deg rather than the -2.3 (or more) I could get with the first set of Golds. Rear camber is still fine. I'm going to pick up some camber plates for the front so I can regain some of that negative camber for auto-x and track days.
For those of you who have the Cusco mounts, where did you source them? Pat Olsen '97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan |
01-24-2002, 11:16 AM | #7 |
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Are the Cuscos caster adjustable too? I'm looking for ones that are both camber/caster adjustable for my DMS 40s.
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01-24-2002, 12:02 PM | #8 |
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the cusco camberplates I have are not caster adjustable. I've heard of folks installing them sideways to fix that problem, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it.
I got them from Cobb Tuning about a year ago. |
01-24-2002, 04:54 PM | #9 |
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On the RS I have dms 40's and cusco camber plates in the front with sti tops in the rear. I really can't tell the difference between before and after noise levels.
On the wrx I have dms 40's and cusco camber plates in the front and rear. The rear plates are GC8 plates, and I've drilled the plates out enough to fit on the GDA. Front adjustability: With the camber bolt and camber plate set for full negative camber, we had just over 5 degrees on each side (did that just for *****s and giggles). With the camber bolt set for max negative, I had fitment issues with a set of 225/50/16 yoko A032R's mounted on 16x7 MY01 RS wheels (offset 53) - they rubbed the springs on the tops of the tires. Right now I have the plate adjusted for max negative camber and quite a bit of positive camber added with the camber bolt, and I'm where I want to be at -2.5 degrees in the front, and the A032R's on RS wheels fit well... but I'm still gonna run 15mm spacers for a wider track for autox. Rear adjustability. First I tried to use the DMS GDA/GC8 adapter plates - they're basically a steel donut with GDA studs on one side and GC8 studs on the other side. Worked okay, but there was almost no adjustability to the camber plate, as the studs/nuts connecting the camber plate to the adapter plate protruded too far down on below the camber plate, and the sliding plate (with the strut top nut and pillow ball) smacked into those nuts. So I machined down those nuts/studs and was able to adjust the plate through the full range. Using the dms adapter plates will result in the camber plate being mounted about 20-25 degrees off from straight sideways, so I ended up taking the adapter plates out, drilling the camber with the GDA bolt pattern, and installing that way. With the rear camber plates at the neutral position and the camber washers on the dms rear struts, I was able to get -2.2/-2.3 degrees of camber, but this produced the same fitment issues as the front... The tire hit the spring. I'm just finishing up re-installing everything, and my last (hopefully) alignment is tomorrow. From driveway measurements, with the camber washer full positive, and the camber plate full negative, I had about -1.2 degrees rear camber (and the tires cleared), so I should be able to get to -2 degrees and still clear. |
01-24-2002, 04:57 PM | #10 |
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I also meant to say the rear pillow ball mount add a healthy bit of noise, but it's toned down quite a bit with the rear seat installed.
All camber plates and sti tops I got from Cobb. I love Cobb. Everytime I call, somebody answers the phone and answers my questions. What more could you want from a vendor. |
01-24-2002, 06:33 PM | #11 |
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hey there,
i have this exact set up in my garage waiting to be installed. this is great info. i was very concerned about the fronts making noise, but it looks like the rears(as i suspected) is the problem. But I will be using the DMS adapter, and sti top hat, so i am hoping the noise isnt too bad. great info from all. i just need to get the damn set up on the car josh |
01-25-2002, 08:27 AM | #12 |
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I have the Cusco camber plates F & R. Cusco said in an add I saw some time ago that the front plates are caster adjustable. The only way to do this is to install them at an angle, like I did. Near as I could tell from the pictures and the Japanese writeing, which I can't read, this is not mentioned in the instalation instructions. Hot tip! The plates are marked L & R. If you want to adj. the caster put the R plate on the drivers side and vice versa.
Looks like Like Austin knows his S#!*. Richard West 2001 SCCA STS ProSolo National Champion. |
01-25-2002, 08:48 AM | #13 |
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With the rear camber plates at max negative camber and the camber washers at max positive, I have around -2.6 degrees camber... I decided to quite playing with it, since I'm getting another alignment today.
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