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09-29-2012, 05:15 PM | #1026 | ||||
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You must not get to drive them as much as I do. I was only in the drivers seat of the Crosstrek for about 15 min and I can feel a difference in the suspension alone. Quote:
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We have gotten mostly the opposite here. Your one dealership, no matter its size(except maybe Hueberger), doesn't make "law of averages" correct. Quote:
I am going to say CAFE standards on this. I think when the new DITs make it here, they will start showing up more(again). Probably not right away, but I believe they will.
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09-29-2012, 05:38 PM | #1027 | |
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09-29-2012, 07:13 PM | #1028 | ||
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You must be a salesman. You guys generally don't know much and are always optimistic. |
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09-29-2012, 07:26 PM | #1029 | |
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Yes I guess that makes sense then, the new CAFE standards will change a lot and I'm just hoping that it doesn't leave Subaru completely declawed of performance models. None the less, for now at least we are getting the short end of the stick. Its also a hope of mine that all the large sales volume that they've been getting will translate into the creation of models that are reasonably competitive. |
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09-29-2012, 10:23 PM | #1030 |
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The XV definitely needs the accessory spoiler for a competed look.
When I test drove the XV and Impreza it was easy to feel the difference in the suspensions. The XV seemed to be in phased by the broken ****ty road on Route 1 in Central New Jersey. Speaking of CAFE standards, the XV classifies as "light truck" which helps Subaru immensely. As much as I love a moon roof, I think I would forgo it in favor of the manual transmission. I am still weary of the performance and reliability of the CVT. |
09-29-2012, 10:26 PM | #1031 | |
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WTF are you talking about? Optimistic about what? That my customers don't agree with you about those wheels(not) being ugly? And what is it I don't generally know much about? Nope, I am not under the hood and I can't take much apart in there, but what does that have ANYTHING to do with what I said? You said you couldn't feel a difference in the Crosstrek when there obviously is. The power being the number 1 of those. I wasn't saying anything negative to you, just wondered if you had driven one, because you are the first person I have heard that can't tell a difference. You didn't need to come back with an insult. |
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09-29-2012, 11:05 PM | #1032 |
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There is more than just the lifted suspension that probably mad the XV feel better they added additional bracing to the chassis making it more rigid giving it a more solid feel. Yes on some level it is badge engineering but there are enough changes that it is justified as its own model. And I too happen to feel it looks better than the Impreza. Don't get me wrong I think the Impreza looks good on its own but the XV looks better IMO.
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09-30-2012, 05:24 PM | #1033 | |
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And wtf are you talking about biggest difference is power? They have the same exact 2.0 fb engine which both are rated at 148hp and 145 ft lbs tq. Where is the difference in power? You're either the best salesman in the world and B&S customers or you're the worst for having no clue about your product line. |
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09-30-2012, 05:36 PM | #1034 |
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Can you guys PLEASE not let Supraru troll this thread?? We get it some people don't like lower hp cars and some people just hate new things yadda yadda yadda. We don't need pages of the same redundant statements..
Anyway, it seems like several of the dealerships around me are all getting Crosstreks most seem to have 3 in transit. The problem is that they are all over MSRP. Most don't seem to have the right options and the majority are premiums. I'm probably going to end up waiting so that the supply meets their guessed demand. I'm not so much in love with it that I'm going to hand over thousands of dollars extra just to have it right away. I may end up ordering one too. |
09-30-2012, 05:39 PM | #1035 | |
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09-30-2012, 05:46 PM | #1036 |
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Agree with you that the power stats are the same; however, sometimes "power" is nothing more than a perception by the normal consumer. Why all of the "hate" here? Maybe you and Justy should just get a room.
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09-30-2012, 05:46 PM | #1037 |
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My dealer had at least 9 in transit. I was hoping to drive one during a test-drive promo the dealer's running, but they're all sold already.
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09-30-2012, 06:25 PM | #1039 | ||
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I feel sorry for the customers at your store if that is the way a fellow employee thinks about its sales staff. And I am not a commissioned sales person, so I have no reason to lie or mislead to make a sale. |
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09-30-2012, 06:27 PM | #1040 | |
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There isn't really hate towards the car. The car is what it is....a raised impreza with ugly wheels. People bought Tribecca's so there will be plenty who the base impreza isn't good enought for so they'll buy the xv. I don't even care about Justy. He commented on something I said starting this whole thing. Guy was trying to be smug because he's a salesman. When I made my statement he thought he had one up on me but didn't realize I'm a tech and already drove one. From there I figured out he was a salesman and I know his game. You meet one you meet them all. They are programed from Subaru to spout stuff that really means nothing to the customer. Salesman on a forum however are the worst kind because they think they know everything. They don't. As a matter of fact they usually over talk things just as Justy is doing here. |
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09-30-2012, 06:33 PM | #1041 | |
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Seems to be the same about mechanics. You get technical training and drive the car around the block a mile to PDI the car. We get behind the wheel training and mile upon miles of test drives with customers. I drove the Crosstrek for about 15 miles. How many did you put on that one car you got in? And what did I over talk? I said I like the Crosstrek better than the Impreza but would like more power(to make up for that power to weight ratio thing). |
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09-30-2012, 06:33 PM | #1042 | |
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09-30-2012, 06:37 PM | #1043 | |
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09-30-2012, 06:39 PM | #1044 | |
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And to clarify, I really wasn't trying to be smug. The "prettier" fix was kind of a joke since I like the wheels and so do some customers I have talked to. Yes, I have also heard they were ugly. I asked if you had driven one because a lot of people on here spout out crap about a car they have never driven. I forgot you were a tech and had probably driven one. I am not sure when the training guys will get that far east(they started in Cali), but hopefully you can play with it the way we did. Did not mean to ruffle your feathers. |
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09-30-2012, 06:48 PM | #1045 | |
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09-30-2012, 08:30 PM | #1046 | |
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Anyway, the "most efficient AWD crossover" moniker will be good for selling Subarus, but I think we can all agree it'd be nice to see at least an option for more power, and I can certainly see those wheels not appealing to everyone even though I like 'em myself. Maybe Subaru will offer an alternate alloy option at some point. I think the appeal will be wide enough to sell well enough, despite these things. |
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09-30-2012, 08:42 PM | #1047 | |
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XV Premium w/ CVT= 3,142 lbs XV Limited w/ CVT= 3,164 lbs Impreza Sport Premium w/ manual= 2,998 lbs Impreza Sport Premium w/ CVT= 3,076 lbs Impreza Sport Limited w/ CVT= 3,087 lbs Less than 100 lbs difference between comparable XV and Impreza Sport models according to Subaru.com. |
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09-30-2012, 08:44 PM | #1048 | ||
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What's up with the continued insults? Look back. I haven't anything negative about you. You, sir, know nothing about me to make that assumption. Outside stating opinions, how is it that I am stupid about the product? Quote:
I know how that feels just with this Crosstrek/EyeSight training. 16 hours of driving for about 4 hours of training. Only to be reimbursed gas/food/lodging. Worth it though. It was fun. To add to my job(at the dealership), it is just a side job. I am a full time firefighter. |
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10-01-2012, 08:40 AM | #1050 | |
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I will be doing exactly this for the wife come late 2013. Please post your thoughts once you get to test driving, I'd be curious to see what you thought. |
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