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Old 02-17-2008, 06:36 PM   #1
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Default simoniz system 5? good,bad,ugly?

i had system 5 applied inside and out when i got "wheezer" in october last year.


simoniz doesn't have any info on aftercare of the system so i emailed them and i'm awaiting answers to the following questions.


does anybody have any thoughts or practical experience with it?


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1) Will system 5 prevent swirl marks? I have a black car.

2) If I go the a “brushless” car wash will system 5 prevent swirl marks, especially when those “slobs” clean with their rags?

3) What is recommended for washing the car? Regular car soap?

4) What do I stay away from so I don’t strip off system 5?

5) can I put on wax over system 5?

6) If I can put a wax over system 5 what types of waxes can I use?

7) Can I use a rim cleaner without stripping system 5?
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Old 02-19-2008, 05:39 PM   #2
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It is a total waste of time, a dealer scam at that. The products are complete trash.
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Old 02-19-2008, 06:47 PM   #3
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haha man you got hosed, im sorry.
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:04 PM   #4
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haha man you got hosed, im sorry.
not really. i got it at a discount and it does protect against sap, bugs, and birdhsit. 5 year warranty.


here's their answer


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We recommend washing and waxing your car on a regular basis per your owner’s manual. You may use any type of car wash soap and/or wax that you are happy with. The only way you will harm the Teflon is if you were to wet sand the vehicle and typically this isn’t done unless you are going to repaint.

System 5 will not prevent swirl marks on the vehicle. As far as using a wheel cleaner, the system 5 is not applied to the rims of the vehicle so there is no problem.

Thanks and Happy Motoring.
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Old 02-19-2008, 11:21 PM   #5
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I will run down what a dealership "wash boy" does when you purchase Simoniz.

1) Liquid Wash Solution (strips anything on paint - prep for PPC)
2) Wash vehicle
3) Dry vehicle
4) Spray fabric protectant on seats and carpet
5) If leather seats, feed leather with protectant.
6) PPC - Paint Protection Coating (with Teflon)

Teflon requires HIGH temperatures to physically bond to surfaces, and trust me, the dealership does nothing of this sort.

Most people end up spending $500+ for a quick "wax"
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:54 AM   #6
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I will run down what a dealership "wash boy" does when you purchase Simoniz.

1) Liquid Wash Solution (strips anything on paint - prep for PPC)
2) Wash vehicle
3) Dry vehicle
4) Spray fabric protectant on seats and carpet
5) If leather seats, feed leather with protectant.
6) PPC - Paint Protection Coating (with Teflon)

Teflon requires HIGH temperatures to physically bond to surfaces, and trust me, the dealership does nothing of this sort.

Most people end up spending $500+ for a quick "wax"

Use to detail, i'll revise what you said to what I use to do.

(Clean or new wash mit)
1) Liquid Wash Solution (strips anything on paint - prep for PPC)
2) Wash vehicle
3) Dry vehicle
4) PPC - Paint Protection Coating (with Teflon) Let Sit
5) If leather seats, feed leather with protectant.
6) Spray fabric protectant on seats and carpet
7) Buff off PPC

Pretty much I use to try and let it sit for a minimum of one hour to let it bond then buff it off.

In some cases i'd let it sit over night.

It makes a difference, it lasts awhile, but in no way does it work as advertised.
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:38 PM   #7
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A friend of mine was a "chemist" for Simoniz for years. While they did have some decent products, especially the ones I got that were in concentrated form. , the majority were just average. Walmart is one of thier biggest clients, so enough said. But the System 5, all marketing for massive profits for dealers, is nothng more that your average watered down wax....
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Old 03-24-2008, 03:03 PM   #8
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While many a detail guy will tell someone they got "hosed", one only need to check the facts.
While it is true that anyone who has been trained in the application can apply it to a vehicle, Simoniz does offer a training CD and on-line certification test.
Secondly, not one manufacturer will warranty the exterior paint from damaged caused by environmental conditions for any period of time. That is why a real coating of a product is essential.
Third, if a consumer has purchased the product, why would you knock them? That is like knocking someone over the color of the car.
Jasvboost, I would love to know the friend as they have no idea.
Whoosh, feel free to wash with any carwash soap, no dish detergent. A real sealant will not "hide" swirl marks, only a polish can really do that.
Mr. Detailer from Cary, NC, you should educate yourself on how better to serve the motoring public. Embrace the consumer that has chosen to spend more money on protecting their vehicle inside and out and how you can help them do so.
By the way, you can get khaki pants with Teflon(r), do you think they bake it on in an oven?

P.S. The new WRX STI is hot. The one that Subaru is showing this week at the NY International Auto Show was outrageous!
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