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Old 04-19-2013, 01:35 PM   #16901
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99% of people will never be able to tell the difference in your cut off from 50+ feet away in oncoming traffic. how many times have you stared at oncoming traffic and gone, oh man, that ******* must have HIDs in halogen housings, i can tell he definitely didn't do a proper retrofit. i ran them for over a year, never flashed, never hassled, never once got a comment.

be real. in a reflector housing it's horrible, that is true.
Not going to argue or start anything, but as I said do as you please. From my knowledge in lighting, I personally can tell when someone just throws an HID system into a setup that isn't supposed to have HIDs. And not be able to tell the cutoff from 50+ feet away? Yes they can. One will not be blinding with glare everywhere, the other won't. Simple as that.

I can't tell you how many times I've come across people running HID's in something they shouldn't. Excessive glare and light bleed aren't fun when the car is coming towards me.

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HIDs in anything other than HID projectors is wrong. It's not "haters gonna hate". The optics are wrong and it is dangerous.

My car is such an Instagram whore these days...

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Old 04-19-2013, 01:49 PM   #16903
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HIDs in anything other than HID projectors is wrong. It's not "haters gonna hate". The optics are wrong and it is dangerous.

My car is such an Instagram whore these days...

it is wrong, and the optics are wrong.

and thats what happens when you create and icon Robb.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:06 PM   #16904
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HIDs in anything other than HID projectors is wrong. It's not "haters gonna hate". The optics are wrong and it is dangerous.
It's wrong and it's dangerous.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:08 PM   #16905
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It's wrong and it's dangerous.
Yes. Both.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:09 PM   #16906
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Is it either-or? ... or just both. Maybe it can be right, and dangerous?
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Is it either-or?
It is both.
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It is both.
Both what?
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Both what?
Wrong and dangerous.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:19 PM   #16913
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Wrong - halogen projectors were never designed for HID capsules. If you pull up to a garage door or wall, you will notice that there is a large bright spot above the cutoff. Yes...there is a cutoff unlike with halogen reflectors but that bright spot above that cutoff is glare that drivers coming the other way see. That means it is wrong in the fact that it is not the correct thing to do.

Dangerous - glare is extremely sensitive to the eyes. This is also why blue and purple PNP kits off of eBay are terrible. The human eye is sensitive to glare and blue/purple. It gives the illusion of being bright when in reality it is the eyes sensitivity to that source of light the viewer is feeling. So it is not safe to put that type of light in the sight of oncoming drivers in traffic. That is dangerous.

Clearer now? What would I know though...I have only retrofitted every car I have owned the past 10 years including the cars with halogen projectors.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:23 PM   #16914
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Wrong - halogen projectors were never designed for HID capsules. If you pull up to a garage door or wall, you will notice that there is a large bright spot above the cutoff. Yes...there is a cutoff unlike with halogen reflectors but that bright spot above that cutoff is glare that drivers coming the other way see. That means it is wrong in the fact that it is not the correct thing to do.

Dangerous - glare is extremely sensitive to the eyes. This is also why blue and purple PNP kits off of eBay are terrible. The human eye is sensitive to glare and blue/purple. It gives the illusion of being bright when in reality it is the eyes sensitivity to that source of light the viewer is feeling. So it is not safe to put that type of light in the sight of oncoming drivers in traffic. That is dangerous.

Clearer now? What would I know though...I have only retrofitted every car I have owned the past 10 years including the cars with halogen projectors.
Thank you for backing me up Robb! And a picture to further prove our statements

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Guise, guise, guise. I've seen all those threads. I've seen all the diagrams. I've put Daniel Stern's sack in my mouth and tasted of it's savor. I still did the PNP HID's, because after seeing them in person on numerous GR WRX's, I thought it was acceptable.

Also: I don't see an issue with a 5000-6000k color temperature. Sunlight is 5500k.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:29 PM   #16916
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Guise, guise, guise. I've seen all those threads. I've seen all the diagrams. I've put Daniel Stern's sack in my mouth and tasted of it's savor. I still did the PNP HID's, because after seeing them in person on numerous GR WRX's, I thought it was acceptable.

Also: I don't see an issue with a 5000-6000k color temperature. Sunlight is 5500k.
wrong

daylight has a color spectrum. it ranges

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature
why do you need headlights brighter than the sun? lol
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Thank you for backing me up Robb! And a picture to further prove our statements
Pictures of light scatter are never reliable. Digital CCD's will interpret the light differently, in almost every shot.
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Thank you. Don't you mean "the eyes are extremely sensitive to glare" because "glare is extremely sensitive to the eyes" implies that the light itself is sensitive.

I don't see an issue with a 5000-6000k color temperature. Sunlight is 5500k.
4100k - 4300k is stock for all cars factory equipped with HID's. That typically color shifts to 5000k or so over time. The PNP kits I am talking about are 6k and up as they do not cast white light because they are trying to mimic the color at the cutoff caused by the light bending over the shield in the projector. A true HID setup casts pure white on the ground and what people see is the Flickr of the blue that you see in the last picture above.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:30 PM   #16919
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Pictures of light scatter are never reliable. Digital CCD's will interpret the light differently, in almost every shot.
same camera, every time, will likely yield reliable results.
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daylight has a color spectrum. it ranges

Color temperature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

why do you need headlights brighter than the sun? lol
Sure, the color temperature has a range as the sun's angle from the horizon changes. Full azimuth will produce 5500k-5600k light. I know this because I've been growing coral indoors for years, you need to know these things.

They're not brighter than the sun. They're a twinge bluer than the sun!
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Pictures of light scatter are never reliable. Digital CCD's will interpret the light differently, in almost every shot.
True, but the picture does prove what we are trying to say in more ways than one. Doesn't matter what one may think or believe. It's very hard to argue proven facts despite what one may think.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:33 PM   #16922
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Guys...are you sure? I dont think I quite understand why HID's in halogen reflector bowls are bad.
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Anything greater than 5k actually produces less useable light at night. This has been proven scientifically.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:34 PM   #16924
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Anything greater than 5k actually produces less useable light at night. This has been proven scientifically.
Correct. 6000k reduces the lumens to 25% less from the stock 4300k
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I'm not going to argue about this anymore. I figured this would happen.

People will do what they want. I put PNP HID's in my projectors, and I couldn't be happier. They blow away my previous H9's and H11's.
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